You must log in or register to comment.
Even in progressive countries like norway thats one in ten people think that homosexuality is never or rarely ok. Insane. Thats so many people. Its a minority, sure, but its still common.
Unfortunately every country has their low-water-mark percentage of irredeemable bigots. Thankfully most of them tend to live out in the middle of nowhere, away from civilised people.
Problem is that those people have the internet now…
Japan with the massive turnaround. Netherlands chill AF as usual.
deleted by creator
wtf is going on in nigeria :D
Disclaimer: I’m not an expert, but more familiar than most westerners.
Nigeria has a particularly rough history of religious extremism and totalitarianism. Even a lot of the indigenous beliefs were particularly intolerant (although this varied a lot, as Nigeria is an extremely diverse nation). These beliefs are rare nowadays, but still influence the culture and superstition. Adding to this, you have the influence of two abrahamic religions - in the north is a significant Islamic population, and in the south, Christianity largely imported (and enforced) by the British. I can’t speak for the Islamic beleifs, but as was the case in many other places, the Christian beliefs imported and enforced were generally more conservative and extreme, and less allowed to change.
As well as this, the brutality of both regional warlords, colonization, then multiple different military dictatorships that followed, and now an ineffective government where terrorism and organized crime are common, lead many people to become more religious. Even now with a (relatively) stable and calm government, churchs and mosks are still one of the only sources for social assistance and security in communities. At the same time, the central positon of these churches leads to them being very corrupt and greedy, often being run more like a cult than a church as we tend to think of one. At the same time, in the modern world, this greed mean they also take in a lot of money from influential “Christian” organizations, for example, a lot of very rich, very political Anerican mega-churches, and will happily bend their teachings to appease wealthy donors.
All of this has led to Nigeria being effectively a perfect storm for homophobia and religious discrimination despite being (relatively) free.
My guess is the billions that the US has spent to export evangelical bigotry in Africa.
Not to disagree, but a lot of other places spent billions on exporting bigotry to Africa. Unfair to give the US all the credit.
You are right that the US doesn’t have a monopoly on this, but they are almost certainly the front runner. There are plenty of European conservatives that donate to these “causes” and we can’t forget the Catholic church that has recently compared “gender ideology” to nuclear war. Russia has also been pushing conservative and anti LGBT views, though I’m not sure how much they are involved in Africa. I’m sure there are plenty of others that I’m leaving out.
In recent history it’s mostly the US. It’s a big country, and a rich country. Canadian evangelicals do their part, but will always play second fiddle just on population grounds, while Europe is just less religious. (The funny thing is that as a result of their success overseas, evangelical churches around here are getting pretty brown and diverse, which was not the plan)
Obviously this whole chart is outside of the colonial era.
In recent history it’s mostly the US.
Guess i can’t really argue wity that. What remains is the question whether the change was mainly driven by outside forces, or is mainly the result of internal pressure. We know who recently exported the most bigotry, but was it more influencial then the bigotry that was exported there earlier? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Obviously this whole chart is outside of the colonial era.
I agree 1993 was after the colonial era, but my point is that Nigeria wasn’t a blank slate that was never influenced by anything before they collected the data for this chart.
Sure. That goes for India as well, though. This thread really seemed to be about who’s gotten worse.
Christianity
Reliable recent statistics do not exist; however, Nigeria is divided roughly in half between 50–55% Muslims, who live mostly in the northern regions, and 35–45% Christians, who live mostly in the southern regions
I’d like to see more subsaharan Africa on the list. It’s a noted shift across the region, while you can see Muslim Turkey moderating.
Given the statistics, even gays are homophobes there
Not a lot of gay orgies at least
It’s likely religion doing its thing again
All the Islamic countries are left off the list for some strange reason
These countries have not had the most reliable reporting on topics like these, so data quality/availability is a likely reason for their absence.
Religious fundamentalism is strongly correlated with anti LGBT sentiment (at least with Abrahamic religions), so it is fair to assume that these countries are probably not very good. It is also worth noting that most of them are like they are due to meddling (or outright coups) by western nations. Iran was fairly progressive for its day before the CIA overthrew their democratically elected government.
Turkey would like a word.
Time travel
That happens when people cant say what they think yeah. :)
But it does feel better. Feels like progress. But may not be actual progress.
Except for Nigeria :(
Considering that the majority of countries are missing from this, i wonder how many more there are where it got worse.
I think I’ve made this comment before but I’m always amused at the phrasing of homosexuality being rarely justified.
So gay sex is WRONG and you’ll go to HELL for your DEBAUCHE…wait 😳 he’s cute! 😍 ok god will let you off this time ☺️.
it’s common sense that homosexuality is acceptable when it’s between two hot women /s
It is also acceptable when there are no female holes around, or when you’re only gay for pay /s
Just a phase, jada-jada, while a half-in tip dip from behind is an armed break-and-enter robbery, character ass-ass-ination even, get-shot-on-the-spot crime.
Does anyone know why Argentina was/is so progressive compared to its neighbors like Brazil and Chile?
Argentina used to be first world as well, for whatever that’s worth.
It’s a really good question, I’m from Argentina and I don’t have a solid answer. Like someone else said the colonization and history is likely to be part of the reason, but I would like to remark that Argentina has a lot more influence from Italy, Spain, Germany and France, and also Jewish ( iirc Buenos Aires used to be the city with the largest jewish population after New York in the 90’s). It’s a very different cultural melting pot compared to any other country in South America.
Maybe has something to do with the type of colonisation in each country. Argentina had its first university in 1613, while Brazil had its first in 1808. Brazil as a colonial project kept its extractivist nature for a lot longer.
My guess: Larger % of people living in city centers vs rural areas. A quick glance at population data over time seems to back that up, but you know what they say about correlation.
I mean, Br and CL made a lot more progress. What gets to me is Mr Latam LGBT is behind Argentina by one measily point
Quite a selective sample for such a big claim
I’m not quite sure how these countries were selected, but the set does touch on many regions and the very biggest ones.
What claim exactly? Its say around the world and lists countries that span the globe. Seems accurate. Plus it represents the majority of the population.
I didn’t expect China to score well but sheesh
AFAIK the government is the issue there, not cultural attitudes. Their politicians don’t use it as a weapon, but I could be wrong.
government is the issue there, not cultural attitudes
Ehh… Not really. Homophobia is just different in East Asian cultures. A lot of Asian people don’t really care if someone they don’t know is gay, but are incredibly harsh towards their own family members if they come out. Pretty much all East Asia is still extremely culturally conservative and still holds onto Confucianist social values like abiding to strict social expectations.
Nigeria holding out as the last bastion of idiocy
The audacity of posting a graph in here without axis labels
There are axis labels? The bottom has numbers percent, and the side is just a bar chart, it has names of countries.
No, it has numbers. you infer percent when it doesn’t explicitly say it.
At the top it says ‘share of people’, which means the numbers are a percentage
So, not on the axis and vague enough for you to be confident in your assumption. Beautiful.
