To see a video of this terrible lady (one of the very first Karens on the internet), search “barbecuing while Black.”
Who are these “lemmy libs”? What are these opinions that seem to incense them? I haven’t seen any posts that would fit this meme’s description and it feels like I’m losing my mind.
You need to think more like a tankie to see em.
It’s true, just saying a tankie phrase like “I refuse to endorse Palestinian genocide no matter who’s doing it” gets you a real good look at the lemmy libs
.worlders, for example, or .piefeds
Truth is simple.
For people in Europe (especially middle/east) russian imperialism is the same thing, as american imperialism to a middle east and countries in the North and South America.
We can all hate russian and USA imperialism, hate the mainstream media, but please don’t use other imperial contry as a alternative :)
But there is no such thing as “Russian Imperialism”. Atleast it defending itself by preventing it’s American vassal neighbours from becoming American bases isn’t imperialism.
One has military bases on every inhabited land mass on earth, the other does not, your local concerns do not make them even remotely comparable
Just because russia is a failing economy, and no longer has bases all over the world, that does not mean that it’s no longer imperialist country.
Authoritarian pseudo communism ruined soviet union, an then thanks to Jelcyn, neoliberalizm killed what was left.
Neither Russia nor USSR ever had bases around the world as that’s what imperialistic countries like USA tend to do
“No longer has bases all over the world” lol they never did, try again
Remember times, when soviet empire had bases from Kuba to Korea, a lot of bases in Europe, and stuff going on in the middle east and Africa?
Deployment =/= occupation, citing Cuba is especially laughable seeing as how they explicitly invited the Soviets specifically to counter the threat of the US, and it worked
How does this follow this meme at all? Whenever I or others post anything opposed to US imperialism, a country that in this century is responsible for killing over a million of my Iraqi brothers and sisters, we’re accused of being Russian. At what point are we using Russia as an alternative?
All imperialism is bad, not matter that is russian, american, chineese, etc.
We have to remember about that.
What does this have to do with being accused of being Russian when talking to Americans? This is a total non sequitur. You’re telling me I have to remember all imperialism is bad… ok? So the fuck what? How does that change the fact Americans are propagandized to believe everyone who disagrees with them is Russian? I am not Russian, I’m Persian.
Ask american.
I’m from Poland, from post east block country. So i know a lot about being part of soviet empire, and no one here wants to go back to be ally of russia.
Of course American imperialism is also bad.
But there is no such thing as “Chinese Imperialism” or “Russian Imperialism”(that thing died with the Russian Empire)
There is no Russian or Chinese imperialism. All imperialism is bad, but you’ve caped for European imperialism and invented brand new imperialism to serve as a red herring for European imperialism as a sub-factor of the larger US Empire.
lol clarance thomas over here citing his own opinion
Russia is not imperializing Europe, Europe itself is imperialist, and western Europe is especially guilty of imperializing both eastern Europe and the global south.
Of course that’s not true. Russia openly saying, that it wants to rebuild soviet era imperium.
Where Europe is imperializing? Europe independent countries just started EU, economic and politics alliance, just like BRICS. EU is not responsible for the wars (Russia is, i.e. Ukraine, Georgia, Chechen war…).
Russia openly saying, that it wants to rebuild soviet era imperium.
No they fucking aren’t. And anyway the USSR wasn’t an empire. It was a union of soviet states, like it said on the tin.
We liberated them from Fascism, and they will never forgive us.
Neither the Russian Federation nor USSR are examples of imperialism. Neither is dominated by financial capital, nor do either expropriate vast sums of wealth from the global south through unequal exchange and export of capital. Europe does, though, and this is why they are imperialist while BRICS is not. NATO is also responsible for many of those wars, such as the Russo-Ukrainian war, by installing far-right Banderites that began ethnically cleansing Russians in eastern Ukraine, resulting in Donetsk and Luhansk seceding and requesting Russian assistance.
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Soviet Union was democratic and never authoritarian, unlike USA and it’s European vassals. Neither is Russian Federation.
Russia defending ethnic Russians in breakaway republics from genocide at hands of Right Wing Ukrainian regime isn’t “imperialism”
What’s that Holodomor hoax you’re mentioning here and how was it “economic exploitation”?
The last paragraph is projection right? Afterall, America and it’s vassals do try to show themselves as not being right wing Authoritarian regimes but fail miserably.
And how is an economic cooperation union like BRICS “imperialistic” like NATO?
The USSR was authoritarian, but in a proletarian manner. It had to exert great effort to keep proletarian power going. It was a dramatic expansion in democracy, but we shouldn’t pretend it didn’t use state power to protect itself and the gains it made. Instead, we should question what it truly means to be “authoritarian.”
Incorrect.
Authoritarian militaristic regime controlling the state? Check. In the soviet union and Russia, there is only one central power, there is no freedom or real democracy. If someone wants to change it, state will use all the power and military to stop it (like in Belarus - victim of a russian imperialism, or in Czechoslovakia in 1968, and so on).
In the Soviet Union, the working class was in control of the state, and brought with it genuine democracy (see Soviet Democracy by Pat Sloan). The state indeed, wielded by the working classes, suppressed bourgeois and fascist counter-revolution. Belarus is not a “victim of Russian imperialism.”
The modern Russian Federation is indeed run by right-wing nationalists, but Russia itself has a platry sum of finance capital, no colonies nor neocolonies, and is largely run on its own industrial production and export of energy and fuel.
None of this has anything to do with imperialism thus far.
Territorial expansion - Soviet union - of course, i.e. Ribbentrop Molotov pact, or the fact that Russia started the war in the Ukraine, attacking independent country to gain more power and rebuild soviet imperium.
Territorial expansion itself is not imperialism. In the case of the Soviet Union, territorial expansion was in the form of a multinational federation of socialist states. In Russia, Donetsk and Luhansk requested support from Russia and voted to join the Russian Federation in response to the far-right Banderite regime in Kiev ethnically cleansing Russians in eastern Ukraine.
Neither of these are examples of imperialism thus far.
Economic exploitation - i.e. Holodomor. Or how soviet union exploited other east block countries.
An unintentional famine is not “economic exploitation,” nor did the soviet union “exploit other eastern bloc countries.” The RSFSR was the most developed in the USSR, but it did not do so via underdeveloping the other eastern bloc countries.
None of this is imperialism thus far.
Superiority ideology - you can see it on many propaganda posts, in the soviet times it was way better, bot nowadays russia also trying to convince people, that Russia is not a right wing authoritarian regime. In the same time Russia is attacking sexual minorities, and the west.
Marxism-Leninism is indeed correct, so spreading it was a good thing. Modern day Russia is more socially reactionary and indeed is run by right-wing nationalists, but this alone is not imperialism.
None of this is imperialism thus far.
Brics is as much imperialistic as NATO.
No it is not. BRICS is made up of global south countries breaking free of imperialism, NATO is made up of the world’s imperialist powers and uses its hard power to maintain their plunder.
Is this enough?
This is nothing.
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Dude, ask someone who lived in a east block. Countries, including soviet union, were controlled by a small group of a ruling class authoritarian idiots. That’s why soviet union failed. At the beginning, after the revolution, a lot of working class representatives were in charge, but after so many decades, new class emerged, ruling class. This was a big problem in the east block.
I have spoken to people that lived in the USSR, and they paint a very different picture. The picture they paint agrees with the sources I gave you already, that the soviet union was run by the working classes. There was no “new class” that emerged, but instead a buildup of state power to protect the gains of socialism against imperialism and sabateurs.
Also not true. How about Belarus, and other Russian satellites. Remember when during democratic election authoritarian Łukashenka regime almost lost, so they used russian army to rape and beat up protests?
Belarus is not a colony just because they trade with Russia. You need to provide evidence for your claims.
Especially when it comes to the countries that never wanted to be a part of soviet empire, like Poland? XD
There was no empire, for starters, and further the Polish People’s Republic was progressive for its time, its fall a tragedy.
And once again, do you remember Ribentrop Molotov pact? Do you remember what was the goal?
I do, likely better than you.
The communists spent the decade prior trying to form an anti-Nazi coalition force, such as the Anglo-French-Soviet Alliance which was pitched by the communists and rejected by the British and French. The communists hated the Nazis from the beginning, as the Nazi party rose to prominence by killing communists and labor organizers, cemented bourgeois rule, and was violently racist and imperialist, while the communists opposed all of that.
When the many talks of alliances with the west all fell short, the Soviets reluctantly agreed to sign a non-agression pact, in order to delay the coming war that everyone knew was happening soon. Throughout the last decade, Britain, France, and other western countries had formed pacts with Nazi Germany, such as the Four-Power Pact, the German-French-Non-Agression Pact, and more. Molotov-Ribbentrop was unique among the non-agression pacts with Nazi Germany in that it was right on the eve of war, and was the first between the USSR and Nazi Germany. It was a last resort, when the west was content from the beginning with working alongside Hitler.
Harry Truman, in 1941 in front of the Senate, stated:
If we see that Germany is winning we ought to help Russia, and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way let them kill as many as possible, although I don’t want to see Hitler victorious under any circumstances.
Not only that, but it was the Soviet Union that was responsible for 4/5ths of total Nazi deaths, and winning the war against the Nazis. The Soviet Union did not agree to invade Poland with the Nazis, it was about spheres of influence and red lines the Nazis should not cross in Poland. When the USSR went into Poland, it stayed mostly to areas Poland had invaded and annexed a few decades prior. Should the Soviets have let Poland get entirely taken over by the Nazis, standing idle? The West made it clear that they were never going to help anyone against the Nazis until it was their turn to be targeted.
“Unintentional” XD
Correct. Quotations and an emoji aren’t a point.
I don’t know how much do you know about east block, but you should know that countries like Poland, or Czech Republic and so on had give a lot of stuff for free to Soviet empire.
There was no empire. Trade existed, as did a socialist economy characterized by central planning, which also meant Poland and the Czech Republic, etc got a lot of “free stuff” in return.
And why are you skipping critical parts of my comments, that are proof of what I’m saying? Like Czechoslovaki 1968, if east block countries were part of the empire, and wanted to be there, why if country wanted to escape soviet empire, soviets would send army?
I’m not skipping any of it, but if you must have more information, Prague in 1968 was a fascist uprising. There were some elements of progressive protest, but these were greatly overshadowed by the fascist movements. Dubcek wanted to sell out to the IMF, and restore capitalism. The idea that any of this was about “democracy” or “freedom” is silly, it was always about Cold War tactics to destabilize socialism.
Yup, and skipping the part about how russia is attacking other countries like Georgia and Ukraine. XD
War is not inherently imperialism, like how Russia is currently responding to requests for aid from Donetsk and Luhansk, and isn’t trying to colonize Ukraine.
So, you big part of my comment, you didn’t give us any arguments. What’s wrong?
I ignored nothing. I suspect that you feel that because I didn’t often name exactly that which I was responding to that it means that I ignored it, but in fact it’s all there. It’s you who is selectively ignoring what I say to further your anti-communist agenda.
Projection
I used to get that a lot on Mastodon.
They always assume you’re American and then you see their brain short circuiting when they find out you’re not. It’s as if other countries only exist as this abstract notion and only America is real. They tend to think of us as this monolithic abstraction as everyone in a Muslim country, for example, shares some inherent trait instead of a place with its own contradictions and its own complexities that cannot be reduced to their dumb generalities.
fellow fedi user in the middle east, this is too real 😫
For a while there were quite an active number of Arabic speakers on Mastodon though most have moved on BlueSky or defederated.
Someone wrote this to me in all seriousness
“Enablers are bad, yes, but invading aggressors are worse., Your comment reads like “both sides” Russian propaganda.”
My family are Persian rug dealers that lived in Iraq.
خخخخخخخخخخخ Tell them about libya, installation of the shah or most middle east interventions. You can tell where they live immediately after they say BS like this lmao
Accurate
Maybe I haven’t run into it too often or I’ve been ignornant of it, but what are some of those opinions that you’re referring to?
Mods aggressively delete them so you wouldn’t. Moderation is out of control because it’s essentially robbing us of seeing diversity of opinions.
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It should still show those actions in the mod logs. Can you link some. But seriously, post them here, Let’s see if they get deleted. At least they’ll show up in my inbox that way.
How do you access mods logs
Click the 3 dots and go “XYZ moderation history” for individuals, the comment mod history to see removed comments, and the mod log at the bottom of the page for the full instance mod log.
I get called either Russian or Chinese propaganda bot sometimes (because there are that many MONOTHEISTS in any of these countries…) and I’m pretty far ethnically from both, lol.
Well, Russia is 75-80% monotheist by these numbers, and no one knows what your ethnicity is here until you tell them. Also, people of different ethnicities can live in and/or work for those countries.
It’s always amusing when someone makes a statement like this inside their echo chamber.
Like what do you expect?
Are you going to change people’s minds who already think the way you do?
Enjoy your upvotes.
Which echo chamber is that exactly?
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You seem confused
My apologies, seem to have replied to you accidently
Fair, no worries
I mean when the post is shit like “haha your government is as bad as ours therefore you are unserious, and ours is good actually” when most of us have oligarchical or theological dictatorships yeah, shit feels like a bot.
You really wiped the floor with that straw man you made.
“people I disagree with are actually bots, not real humans”
Can’t cope with the reality that your empire mass murders people everywhere? Just say to yourself “we actually mass murder bots, not real humans”
