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Yeaaahhhh, i’m a disagree with this one a little.
It goes like that until the update changes the kernel version and breaks a video driver. I mean, it’s a lot rarer than it used to be, but our arcade box at work just got hit with it.
Windows usual fail mode (which is often) is update won’t process so it wastes an hour of your time a bunch of times and either justs starts working or requires you to dig into it and either run it manually, or clear up some cache.
Windows not booting into a gui on an update is pretty rare.
That’s what it used to be. They managed to sort out their updates. Windows updates system is pretty good now. The issue is what’s included in those updates, like all the AI bloat. But that’s a different issue.
Forced updates are only an issue on corporate machines now, because it’s your IT guy pushing them and setting deadlines to update.
Also, Linux updates can completely break your system. Not often, but it can happen.
Update and shutdown?
What about update and I let your pc on all night without your knowledge?
Wait, there are people whose computers actually shutdown when Update and Shutdown is selected? I swear I’ve never had that happen since 2 or 3 years ago, and everything since has always restarted my devices.
God I forgot about that. Windows makes me so mad.
Microsoft doesn’t understand consent, not to mention user agency.
They probably do, they just see it as against their interest.
Considering the fact that most home users would never ever update their PCs unless forced too and then complain about a virus they got. It kinda makes sense to force people to update.
The same applies in any professional environment. Not forcing updates to clients in a professional environment is very stupid and will land you in trouble sooner or later.
There’s one more big difference between Windows and Linux: Windows can only install updates while shutting down, for some reason. On Linux I boot the machine, see the notification for updates, and run them in the background while I do my own things. If the updates need a reboot to take effect, it’s a normal reboot that takes mere seconds.
On Windows, I get an update notification in the morning and either take 5 minutes to restart right then, or wait until I naturally shut down (end of the day) and have an abnormally long shutdown that (sometimes) leaves my laptop running and still not fully updated while it’s in my bag. That isn’t a security issue or a policy issue, it’s a technical limitation that results in a terrible user experience.
Windows can only install updates while shutting down, for some reason.
That information is out-dated. Hotpatching was introduced in Windows 11 24H2
Doesn’t Linux require Kernel updates quite often though? Pretty sure those require a reboot.
Sure rebooting is annoying but you only have to do it 12 times a year so it really doesn’t matter that much unless you computer runs on tape or something.
Updating servers can by experience be more annoying though due to shitty applications that need manual intervention.
But clients are no problem.P.S While not relevant to home users, windows nowadays be fully patched without rebooting for 2 out of 3 updates. You do have to pay for it with extra licenses though. I assume Linux also can be hot patched in a similar way (but maybe for free?) but normally it’s not.
There is a difference between scheduled update for security patches which the user agrees to on initial setup (and can modify at any time) alongside optional feature updates that are entirely… optional, and shoving feature and security updates automatically on the user regardless if active programs are running, without consent, and not granting an easy opt-out solution.
Windows only does that if you ignore the update prompts multiple times, which means for multiple days since the default delay behavior is to ask a day later. It’s literally in the settings, including options to have it install updates outside suer-set active hours.
But don’t let that get in the way of the realization that most people just ignore shit until the last second and then blame everything but themselves for it when they run out of options. And that the Internet jumps onto bandwagons faster than the speed of light just to feel like they’re included in something.
Yeah, I have never once been force updated by windows despite using it for many years. Why? Because I update my fucking computer like you should.
Microsoft pushes too many bad updates for anyone to trust them to not push a bad update that bricks your system.
In the last 12 months alone, my team has had so many bad updates we’ve had to deal with. Just this month, there is an update that breaks a Microsoft product running on VMs…and yet they push the update anyway and we have to go through the process of reverting the update and doing what we can to prevent it from reapplying again.
Not to mention the forced restarts. I just restarted my machine less than a week ago. I get on the next day to find a bunch of stuff I was working on is now gone thanks to a silent update and reboot from the night before. No notifications saying “hey, we need to restart your device in 24 hours”. Just rudely interrupting whatever I’m doing and restarting with no regard for my choice.
The only good change Microsoft has made is not pushing incorrect driver updates. At least, in my experience. In the early days of Windows 8 when they started forcing updates, it continually would push a driver update for my laptop’s trackpad that broke functionality. I’d have to revert that stupid update multiple times each week and ended up giving up and just using a USB mouse instead after a while.
Yeah, I don’t get the “just install every update when it comes out” / “ just comply, bro” attitudes. My PC is now incapable of S3/S4 sleep without crashing thanks to a windows update a few days ago. Absolutely no way microslop gets the benefit of the doubt on anything.
Windows: for clueless people!
My (very barebones) linux desktop has no way to ask me, it’s been removed.
That’s some Crowdstrike.
I still can’t get over the fact that there’s just no way to prevent Windows 11 home edition from ever rebooting automatically.
Because non-techy users would use that feature and then complain to Microsoft when their OS gets malware or breaks.
I think you’re right but I wouldn’t be surprised at all by an angry “akshually…” reply in the near future. I’ve had multiple users claim they’re windows gurus and have literally never had an automatic reboot happen to them
Windows does a lot of sneaky reboots that it doesn’t notify about before or after. I dualboot and windows is not the default OS, so when I leave windows running and come back to linux, I know what happened.
Not quite true on my Ubuntu system. It offers to update stuff every 2 weeks (slowest time that isn’t “never”), and then wants a reboot at the end…
Cannonical (Ubuntu’s parent developer) is trying to become the Microslop of the Linux world. Just use a fork instead - plenty to choose from.
Better go one step back to Debian instead.
Fuck that reboot. It’s almost never necessary under Linux. Unnecessary, forced reboots in Windows are one of the last straws that made me fully switch my last remaining Windows system over to Linux.
At least it lets me reboot on my own time… But it is seemingly required to update some packages.
IMO they’re just being lazy. If you just reboot you don’t have to worry about resolving the dependencies for things you upgraded.
unattended-upgrades
Yes, but be sure to exclude certain services on servers and monitor the remaining pending upgrades.
totally unrelated, but 1) what are the words in superman’s hair; and b) has that always been there, and my dumbass hasn’t seen it until now, years after i first saw the meme?
Most likely the name of the artist who drew the Superman version of the meme.
Pretty sure it’s AI artifacting.
Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/1683/
Original template
You can see that the general shape of the squiggles is the same, but some generative algorithm detected a pattern in the noise and “enhanced” it.
1 Not sure - 2 No, usually is Robin.
lol thanks, i originally wrote robin instead of superman, but saw the colors and edited the comment, and thought “well, i guess i’m officially old now…”
