He really can’t find pop os on a good day huh?
It’s hilarious how he wants it to work. I think it’s the pre-installed Nvidia drivers he wants to take advantage of (even though installing drivers on most distros is simply using the package manager) which I don’t understand why he fears driver installation, even windows doesn’t come with Nvidia drivers pre-installed. I don’t get why everyone is hating so much, it’s not like he simply made a video about only his experience.
Elijah and Luke are actually good view of what the average user might encounter (minus multi screen configuration).
Also wtf is chimera os? The only 2 times I’ve heard of it are in their videos.
Can he not. He’s a moron.
ffs stop using popos
Put Fedora gnome workstation and be done with it. Heck, put Linux Mint XFCE and I guarantee he wont even need to reinstall the OS unless the hardware breaks
Why shouldn’t we use popos? Just curious…
We need to agree on a better way to get new users to easily chose a new Distro without having horrible choice paralysis. Asking AI doesn’t work, asking reddit or lemmy just starts a massive debate and gets the person asking nowhere.
Perhaps just refer everyone to nicks latest tier list although that is really for his use case, I mean he doesn’t even have bazzite on the list when it’s a good choice for a lot of people. Maybe there is a website that asks questions and recommends a distro based on that, or maybe I saw a cool flow chart photo that seamed good, but it’s an image so it won’t update itself when people come back to it later and the recomendations change.
I wish that wasn’t a video, but a website with everything explained on one page. We used to host things damnit! /end rant
This seals it for me, Linus picks bad distros on purpose for views. Wtf, why would you pick pop os again? Distro is in a huge transition right now.
I hate LTT with a passion, but pop os is my fist linux distro in a decade with very limited knowledge, and it works really well. I haven’t booted up windows in like 4 months, so i’m not really sure what the fuck he’s even doing.
I have two different views and explanation what could have happened. Choose one. :D
The only benefit of doubt I can give Linus with this choice is, because its praised and recommended a lot. And that Linus is tackling this from a end user perspective who is searching the web and ChatGPT recommendation, coming of fresh from Windows without Linux experience. We all know Linus has Linux experience, but he might go the unexperienced route as a guide. And none of the websites doing these recommendations talk about the transitional phase PopOS is in right now.
But if I assume “bad” intentions, then he very well have made a risky choice by choice. Because he knows the other two will have good experience and then almost nothing controversial would happen = boring video, no interactions in the comment. He might have chose PopOS to boos his channel, not because he really really want to try PopOS again after he got burned so hard last time…
I think he’s a sleazy little shit who loves money more than anything. There is absolutely no good intentions about this. Even your “average user” knows where to go and whom to ask. The fact that a person goes out of their way to think about replacing an operating system already puts them in a higher bracket on the intelligence scale. Those who don’t know, won’t even have a problem with windows and will never even know what Linux is. I dislike Linus even more after this video.
I’m so mad he chose Popos again. I really hope he realises how not for his use case it is and just uses something else for the next videos.
I’m really happy with Luke and Elijah’s distro choice, Bazzite and Cachyos actually seams perfect for each of there use cases.
Also as much as most of us don’t like his content we still need to care about it. Millions of people rely on Linus for his recommendations. He could probably single handedly create the year of the Linux gaming desktop on his own if he gives Linux the thumbs up.
I mean Linus’s windows just completely bug out and he has so many other issues. When is he going to realise that no one else is having these issues. He says he’s cursed but he just keeps on using Popos and he keeps on having problems.
Off course he picks PopOS, because it bite him before. And off course PopOS is currently under a huge desktop environment change.
There’s a hidden upside to him being a dumb fuck: it keeps the equally-dumb parts of his audience from clogging up the support forums and git issues with stupid shit.
In case you can’t tell, I really hate this particular Linus.
Great video showcasing Linux still has many issues for average users. Pop OS is garbage too.
The amount of cope here is unbelievable.
Yes, Linux based operating systems have still many issues. So does any other operating system. No one said a Linux based operating system is perfect. In fact, Windows has more issues than Linux, that is why people switch.
He picked PopOS again???
Look, I have nothing against people who prefer Pop. But the issue with Steam last time around gave me a very negative impression of it. A few months ago I organized a local Linux install party and tried giving it a chance. I could not get the damn thing to install, even after trying multiple ISOs. You can say “skill issue” but if you want a headache-free distro, which Linus very clearly does, my recommendation is to try something else. If Pop works for you, again, more power to you.
Hey, can you say more about the Linux install party? I’d be interested in hosting something like that! Did you find or make any resources to help?
I hosted it at a local maker space. It wasn’t like super structured. My wife and I took care of most people who came in and occasionally delegating help to the knowledgeable volunteers with the space. I brought some personal laptops with a few distros installed for test driving. Linux Mint was by far the most popular choice. https://endof10.org/ has some useful resources.
That was my reaction too. Its almost as if he used ChatGPT as an excuse to use POP and have a bad time.
spoiler alert, he did use chatgpt
Why do people watch this guy’s videos again? I’m baffled more and more
this time around, it looks like he had issues with their beta-quality new de.
please just pick debian or fedora or something god dammit.
they did mention, that were shying away from debian because old software, but still choose pop os (follows the 2 year lts cycle of ubuntu, though the kernel is more up to date)
in the end, elijah (one of the 3 are partaking on the challenge, it isn’t just linus) happened to choose a fedora based distro and had like 0 issues, it is almost like they should have had choosen fedora
Oh no, not this clown again. Is he running out of content? For sure.
No one ever asked him about linux things, yet he still wishes to share his imbecile opnions with the world. What a joke!
His entire OG staff is evaporating and he’s letting them rip pieces off the boat they helped him build to do so. I honestly wish I could never see this dude’s face or hear his voice again, but his slop is so ubiquitous it’s impossible to escape.
But Zip Tie Tech is a fun channel that’s come from the ashes of LTTs reputation.
There were some decent people in his team in the past. I’m not against anyone else, just his obnoxious character.
i’ll have a look at this channel. Thanks for the tip!
for a moment I’d like to disregard Linux.
fuck this bleached asshole and his bullshit. fuck his viewpoint on unions, fuck his viewpoint on worker rights, fuck his viewpoint on warranties, fuck his missinfo peddling of a company and fuck his company a 2nd time for allowing employee misconduct.
recall when GN called them out on their shit in private but they did not give a fuck? then when they got exposed did they finally get their panties in a knot. any1 else notice the typical corporate response? oh we just had a major controversy? time for the CEO to step down to a totally diff C suite position (trust me bro) and it’ll all blow over.
Linux ain’t the only thing to get bashed by this particular soyboy. any1 watch the GrapheneOS video? don’t bother. the thumbnail still depicts those that use it to be criminals (so did the title b4 they got backlash). I will judge a fucking book by its cover cuz fuck you.
now for our beloved Linux. most of PewDiePie’s career used to be shitposting, but then he built a damn PC and installed Linux on it w/o announcing it. and sm how this corpo cocksucking sleazebag despite being in the industry for alleged 20 yrs doesn’t know jackshit on how to operate a computer running a different operating system? hand me a laptop running FreeBSD and watch me figure that shit out in 3 days w/o having ever used it. oh right he’s a corpo cocksucking sleazebag.
For anyone interested, in regards to the employee abuse claims. A 3rd party law firm was brought in for an investigation at the expense of LMG. 8 months later the results of the investigation were posted here:
https://xcancel.com/LinusTech/status/1793428629378208057
Some of the highlights are below:
In summary, as confirmed by the investigation, the allegations made against the team were largely unfounded, misleading, and unfair.
Or more specifically the investigation found that:
Claims of bullying and harassment were not substantiated.
Allegations that sexual harassment were ignored or not addressed were false.
Any concerns that were raised were investigated. Furthermore, from reviewing our history, the investigator is confident that if any other concerns had been raised, we would have investigated them.
There was no evidence of “abuse of power” or retaliation. The individual involved may not have agreed with our decisions or performance feedback, but our actions were for legitimate work-related purposes, and our business reasons were valid.
Allegations of process errors and miscommunication while onboarding this individual were partially substantiated, but the investigator found ample documentary evidence of LMG working to rectify the errors and the individual being treated generously and respectfully. When they had questions, they were responded to and addressed.
I am still a bit skeptical tho especially w the “at the expense of LMG” part. to me its kinda like “we investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong”. if the lawfirm is highly regarded then perhaps their word could be trusted. regardless thank you for the enlightenment. I stopped following LMG around the time GN dropped their nuke and have not kept in touch.
his viewpoint on unions, fuck his viewpoint on worker rights, fuck his viewpoint on warranties, fuck his missinfo peddling of a company and fuck his company a 2nd time for allowing employee misconduct.
is there a source for this? i remember the sexual harassment allegations got pretty serious, but i think he was supposed to be somewhat sympathetic to unions?
i wouldn’t be surprised, but what happened there exactly?
Linus said that he’d consider it a personal failure on his part if his employees feel they need to unionise to get heard
And the Internet Hate Machine interprets this as LINUS STOMPS UNIONS AND WANTS TO FUCK THEM IN THE ASS. DRY.
phrasing, phrasing matters quite a lot. I remember that line being followed up by him stating that he wants the employees to express their concerns instead of outright unionizing. I cannot recall precisely but I do think before all of that he also stated that he feels there exists no need for a union if the workplace is welcoming. I don’t at all remember why the topic was brought up in the first place tho.
As I mentioned in my prev comment I feel that if your employees feel a need to unionize then they’re past civil discussions and also it feels to me like sweeping the incident under the rug so they don’t land in hot water. but perhaps I am too red pilled by the rest of the bs that’s going on.
I’ve never really watched the guy, so I have no dog in this fight. That’s definitely a dumb-as-nails take. Not anything I wouldn’t expect from someone born to moderate wealth running a company, but not especially malicious.
not especially malicious
agreed. I will give him the benefit of the doubt and believe that his intentions were in the right place. he cares for his workers and would feel deeply hurt if they felt a need to unionize as a result of his leadership. I can chuck this up to not being able to express his thoughts at that time in a sanitized manner. recall the time he accidentally said that he used to use the hard R but actually meant the mental hadicap word instead of the N word? he then got corrected by Luke and the producer but damn would that have sunk the boat.
but to not play the devil’s advocate. he is a damn good manipulator.
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he then got corrected by Luke and the producer but damn would that have sunk the boat. forgot to add dis
Being the face of a (multi?)million dollar enterprise AND going live on air once a week without any delay is either really brave or really stupid 😄
I used to be a watcher of the Wan Show and on an episode he stated that if his workers feel a need to unionize then he has failed as a boss. He then stated that they should not unionize and discuss the matter personally with him. The reason I said fuck his viewpoint on worker rights is cuz of the “should not” part. If the employees feel the need to unionize then idt they’re at that state to have a civil discussion when there clearly exists an imbalanced power dynamic. Another reason is ofc he’s trying to keep shit on the hush hush cuz a company that gets hit with a union is gonna be in sm deep shit.
Honey I abused our viewers and they got mad! how entitled! how did the narrative switch against me? do they know how much I’ve sacrificed for this industry? - LS
Fuck LTT. Won’t click the video for this twat.
I desperately didn’t watch his video on his own channel, and waited for someone I trust to react to it. I just watched Gardiner Bryant’s reaction to it: On Invidious https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=W680f2iPu5o or YouTube directly https://youtu.be/W680f2iPu5o . (Edit: just a typo)
At least now he decided to SORTA own his mistakes…
Most of them seemed to be giving it a fair go but Linus himself seemed to be treating it more like a Cheap Car Challenge from Top Gear. He was cracking (bad) jokes about “just Linux things” before he’d even started and he gave up pretty much straight away. The problems he was having with Discord seemed more like Discord issues than Linux issues.
I game on Linux without issue. Literally 95% of games just work without issue. Deathloop never ran well and Routine (a UE game) for some reason kept want to install and uninstall a package each time I ran it (but it played fine). I don’t think I’ve found another game that doesn’t play and I recently bought ARC Raiders.
Between this, his alleged mistreatment of employees, his problematic takes on unions and worker power, his incorrect reporting proven by other tech reporters, and all the staff I actually enjoyed watching leaving and starting their own channels…I dunno why anyone gives this fucking ass clown the time of day anymore.
Stay on Windows then, you corporate fuckboy! Enjoy XBox cloud gaming and never owning anything again.
I was watching an lmg clips video about it last night, and personally found it very unreasonable how he said a game that supposedly worked without tinkering, actually needed tinkering because he had to use proton experimental and add a simple launch command. Maybe i’m an out of touch linux user but… what? Is he really saying it’s that difficult to select proton experimental from a gui dropdown menu, and then copy paste a simple command? There are probably games out there on native windows that require more tinkering than that. If you literally want no tinkering at all, you’re probably better of with a console, which is ironic considering linus is mainly a pc gamer.
Honestly, I think he’s right on that one. No tinkering means no tinkering, selecting a proton version to force to use the windows version of the game and passing command arguments is tinkering. That is the difference between gold and platinum in protondb, gold means it works with tinkering while platinum means works oob. L4D2 is marked as Gold, so protondb agrees that some tinkering is required, his complaint that a Valve game in a platform Valve is pushing should work without tinkering is perfectly valid.
I think it’s fair to call out reviews that say:
“This works out of the box, and requires no tinkering at all. Anyways, here’s what you’ll need to do to get it to work.”
Having to tinker with settings and commands is literally not what “requires no tinkering” means.
Oh yeah, i did agree with him that the review was silly by stating two opposites like that, but i did feel like he made it sound like the tinkering he ended up having to do was very involved, eventhough it just takes a few seconds, especially when a review like that has already figured it out for you.
He’s a moron but yeah copying and pasting a command is beyond normies. They would want to get the command from LLMs for one thing, which would almost guarantee it wouldn’t work.
Linus is not at all a moron. The trouble with him is that he plays the role of a boulevard journalist. So he constructs bs narratives to have something to talk about, even when it makes absolutely no sense to create these little plot points.
It seems to have gotten to a point where he can not switch his style off. Seems to have gotten this way since he started LMG.
The real problem with these videos is that Linus decides to try and emulate the average user, but then refuses to do even the smallest amount of troubleshooting “because the average user wouldn’t do it”. So it leads to a lot of moments where something doesn’t work out of the box, there’s a trivially simple solution that comes up as the first Google search result (if you ignore Gemini’s output), but he doesn’t bother and just throws his hands up (like the average user would, I guess).
It just gets frustrating, because their Linux videos end up being entertainment first, and educational… fifth, maybe?
Have you met the average user? 😀
They click on ads that look like windows dialogs.
true and people forget how troubleshooting makes them smarter
Well said.
You might be right, I’m not even sure what his actual intelligence level is and I didn’t express myself well. I just don’t like the fuck. He was at his most charming when he did the video with Actual Linus™ and he still kind of got on my nerves. And unlike some others, I do not think his criticism of Linux is constructive. And unlike others, I do not find the gamer Nexus expose on him to be a dismissable hit piece, because to me it showed a shady corrupt business relationship with hardware companies and sloppy benchmarking. Not to mention the sexual harassment accusations, which I find credible.
A useful video would be a bunch of people beating on stuff (off-screen or in an extended cut) to figure out what’s actually easy and reliable for beginners, then presenting that information. It would get approximately 237 views, which is roughly a million fewer than the linked video has at this time.
What succeeds on Youtube is entertainment first and information a distant second. A video where everyone sat down in a quiet environment with no pressure, installed a reasonable Linux distribution, and had a smooth experience wouldn’t be very entertaining.
I have not yet watched the video, but it also depends on how easy it is to find the needed settings and how authorative they are. Previously I was on Ubuntu trying to get Nine Sols working with a usable framerate. ProtonDB hat some comments about the needed settings, each comment saying something different, non of them giving positive results. And for using something like gamemode I first had to install it, which is just another step not provided by anything other than comments.
When I installed Bazzite on the same PC (which was torture in itself because I didn’t want to give it a full disk alone), everything worked out of the box for all my games. That tells me, that Ubuntu had no focus on making the experience for gaming better. Similar to Fedora 43 removing support for old Nvidia cards, while Bazzite still supports them. (I still debate myself on switching again from fedora because of all the hassle)
He’s said a couple of times that he’s trying to view it through the lens of a casual, non-technical user, and the fact that similar problems also exist on Windows doesn’t stop them from being problems.
True, but I wish Linus had tried switching distros, or at least not using a distro he’s already had issues with in the past. A lot of his problems are stemming from using an Ubuntu-based distro and COSMIC being a brand new DE that still has a bug of bugs to quash.
Hopefully in the next couple of weeks they do a collab with Wendel to go over what were the causes of their problems and final recommendations. Sure, the listicles for Linux distros are useless, but having a conclusion from trusted voices informed by people with a lot of experience (aka Luke and Wendel) would do a lot of good by cutting through the bullshit.
Supposedly Linus switched to Kubuntu, but we’ll have to wait for part 2 to see how that turned out. But from the WAN show I don’t think it went well.
My biggest issue is that there is zero information of what everyone is actually running.
“I’m running Kubuntu”, cool, what version? LTS or STS? What kernel? What version of Mesa drivers? How did you even install the OS? Ext4? Manual partitioning? Are you using swap? Is steam installed via flatpak, snap, or the deb?
But nope it’s “lol I installed pop again, shits still broken, Linux sucks! I’m cursed!”
Yeah, agree that choosing the same distro again was kind of silly, but understand wanting to give it a second try. I was also disappointed by the decision though.
Was glad to see Luke choose CachyOS. I slapped it on a small gaming machine a couple of months ago and have been quite happy with it.
Part of the problem is that people have gotten lazy. I’d say the biggest advent of people losing touch with the actually tech is windows 7. It had everything at your fingertips. No need to look for drivers, little need for compatibility changes or added set up requirements. Couple that with nvidia automatically adjusting “best settings” for your rig on a per-game basis and you’ve got what we have now. People don’t want to learn and they’ve forgotten how we got here. Unfortunately, click and run seems to be the consumer de facto now and it isn’t going to go away.
LTT is not sincere.
It’s the Pro Wrestling of tech. It’s Tech Entertainment. The focus is drama instead of technical accuracy or knowledge sharing. He “lost the match” because he never intended to win.
Deathloop doesn’t run well on Windows either.
Yea I agree. I don’t like how Linus is doing this challenge at all. He is not being fair.
Totally agree! We canx’t have serious mass if it keeps getting portrayed as some kind of cheap toy.
On the other side of all this, tho, we do have Pewdipie seriously having Linux as his daily driver.
PewDiePie has probably brought more people to Linux single-handedly than LTT ever did.
I also had some issues with hyprland and steam. That’s why i changed back to KDE. Luke made a great choice to leave hyprland for a later day.
Been playing games and using Discord on Bazzite and haven’t had an issue with anything. I haven’t even needed to do any tweaks to proton yet for a game to run fine.
