We should thank the antivaxxers. There was a suspicion for years that vaccines over age 60 reduce the incidence of neurodegenerative diseases but due to high uptake, a control group was not obvious, nor ethical to impose.
Now, the control group has appeared and vaccines, especially Shingrex, lower Alzheimer incidence by 20-30%.
In fact, vaccines work far better than the last two FDA approved antibody therapies for dementia costing $26000 a year.
This was a very promising route to prevent neurodegenerative diseases but Trump ironically cut all this research in 2025. So he’ll die of literal brain rot, because Tony Fauci make him feel inferior.
I’m wondering if it’s really the vaccine or if what makes you vulnerable to the antivax idea also makes you more prone to neurodegenerescence.
Jesus Christ, the Nurglites have come out of the woodwork in this thread.
As a guy who runs Nurgle, this is genuinely quite hurtful.
Maybe that’s why the government never makes certain vaccines mandatory, especially those that prevent communicable diseases.
Never took it, never needed it, I never will, so for the uneducated who are ready to polarize and divide people on a matter that is strictly personal, I remind you to read history and learn what is a pandemic because if you have to do a test to see if you got it, then it’s definitely not one, it was just a common flu and the experiment was you, so good luck you re gonna need it!
2/5 - Decent troll effort, but I’ve seen much better around here. Get gud.
If that helps you sleep at night, then it’s ok my dude, believe whatever you want to believe, not my problem
the uneducated
LOL…in your underwear on Grok?
Take your toxic ass back to Reddit.
I dont remember flaming under your comments dude, so you are the one who has to go back to reddit, stop mirroring yourself to everyone around you.
def rage bait farming, opinion disregarded
I don’t need luck if I have vaccines.
This comment was written by a virus.
strictly personal
Oh, so I assume you’ve self isolated yourself entirely and aren’t going within 15 feet of anyone else or letting anyone else come within 15 feet of you?
What this has to do with someone taking the vaccine? Please use your brains before replying if able to
Something tells me that no one would be within 15 feet of that person anyway.
Here’s to you being removed from the gene pool. Hope you haven’t reproduced. If you do have kids, you shouldn’t be allowed to have custody.
Calm down my dude, so much hate in you, I hope you are ok
No hate, just wishful thinking.
Not making a choice, is a choice.
I’ll never forget that woman i saw on tinder quite frequently who had a bunch of low to high key antivax stuff on her profile. One was a picture of her when she was on a antivax demo with a lot of other people and she was holding a sign that said something like: we don’t follow the masses… While following a mass of people, quite literally
A comma is grammatically incorrect in that context.
It was a deliberate choice. I like the pause.
I don’t like the use of commas to signify pauses. Commas are better for grammatical structure in my opinion. Better to use an ellipsis (…), or an em dash (—). My two cents.
Commas are
betterfor grammatical structurein my opinion.How do you feel about semicolons
I used both of those elements often, when I feel they express whatever I’ve trying to say. I wanted a slight pause between the two clauses, and felt the comma did that better that your suggestions, which indicate longer pauses.
It’s not “grammatically incorrect,” it’s just one alternative approach.
Geddy Lee voice
If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice
The curse of vaccines is that they’re victims of their own success. They are so successful in fact that people forget why we need them in the first place. That’s why we unfortunately need a control group.
Thankfully some people volunteer for that role …
The phrase “there is no glory in prevention” is well known in related fields
I mean, you say that. But we have a quarterly all-hands office meeting at my company. Every meeting kicks off with “This is how many accidents we had this quarter. We are aiming for ZERO accidents. Zero Is Achievable.” And in the quarters we’ve had zero accidents, the upper management makes a big deal out of it.
There have been a number of campaigns to eliminate certain viruses from the human population - smallpox being the most famous. And there was quite a bit of glory doled out to celebrate the regional elimination of these contagions.
It’s possible to make prevention a celebrated endeavor. But you do have to prioritize it. And you can’t run away and blow it off when you fail. I think the real “no glory” issue is in bungled preventative campaigns. Far easier to insist vaccinations don’t work than to acknowledge our pre-Trump efforts at vaccinating the population have been half-assed and profit-motivated.
unfortunately :/
I feel like the antivaxxers are more concentrated in the developed north because of privileges; from having better access to healthcare, better economy, and less prevalence of deadlier diseases because of colder climate. So they get treatment more easily if they need one, and don’t see nasty diseases. Meanwhile, the global south tend to believe more in vaccinations because diseases in warmer climate are more common and deadlier.
Someone should send that memo to Florida man.
yeah there’s definitely a correlation between temperature and diseases/infection.
it’s well known for example that the Thai and Spanish people all eat very spicy food because it disinfects the body from the inside out. Which reduces diseases. That only works for bacteria though, not viruses.
:o
I never even thought of that.
See, mom? I’ve been collecting ulcers for good reason!? what do ulcers have to do with it?
It was a joke, but the joke was that capsaicin causes ulcers.
It’s actually a common myth, it seems. Whoops. :p
what’s capsaicin?
I don’t know what word I want to use. Not unintelligent, not really dumb or ignorant (although the people who blindly follow others who tell them they’re bad are), stupid? But at the top it seems like there’s people saying this stuff who are seemingly none of those. Malignant, I guess?
Either way, people need to realize how important vaccines are.
Oh are you thinking of state level disinformation campaigns? If only there was some evidence that you could find to prove those things exist. Hmmm what ever will you do? nah, speculating on lemmy is the only thing we can do. Them misinformation spreaders are bad amirite
The first batches of mRNA vaccines were terrible. One of my friends had his skin start peeling after the first shot. Two others died within a day from the third shot. One of them was an athlete who swam daily. In my country, they were pushed on everyone, babies and pregnant women, some of whom later had abortions. But I guess no one will ever admit any mistakes. it’s easier to sow division among people than to seriously look into potential side effects.
I knew an athlete who had an mRNA vaccine and he died in a car accident two days afterwards. This was a very fit and healthy person who ran daily.
Hilarious, did you come up with this yourself, using your own talent?
Yeah I did, kinda like how only twelve people came up with 90% of the anti vax bullshit that got spread around during COVID.
I’m not trying to defend anti-vax views, but to critique the culture of denial. Clearly, it’s difficult for many to discuss the negative aspects without dismissal, likely due to the cognitive dissonance they experience.
If that’s your goal, the most polite thing I can say is that maybe you should reconsider your strategy.
AI chats made people feel like everyone has to agree with them, “such a great question” “good point” The internet is so dead. soon you’ll only be talking to AI agents anyway, so enjoy the last bits of real people.
Bruh I’ve hated you pro-disease morons long before AI existed. I don’t care if “everyone agrees with me” except on topics where you’re causing children to die of preventable diseases for no fucking reason.
We had literally solved the problem of measles, and now you’ve brought it back out of pure foolishness. Those sick and dying children are entirely the fault of people like you.
I don’t know what this has to do with anything. I love it when people disagree with me. Either they make interesting points and I have fun learning something or they post drivel and I have fun with them until I get bored. It’s all upside.
Probably more to do with the fact that there is, at most, a tiny grain of truth at the core, but it’s wrapped in a mountain of bullshit.
Could be, but what interest would a regular person have in making things up? The only explanation I can think of is state actors, but even then, there must be something real to hold onto, even if it’s a 1 in million chance. The fact that everyone else is being dismissed makes it feel like a cult. I hate that criticizing Pfizer and Moderna has become associated with a political view, especially since these companies were involved in huge fraud scandals before.
Cue the classic Arthur meme, “do you really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?”
How about for money? How many grifters pushed their own protective supplements? You think pharma maybe would pay some astroturfers to push the ivermectin that didn’t do dick for anyone that didn’t have worms already because it’s fucking dewormer? How many antivaxxers made up bullshit about it just like they do every other vaccine? How many wealthy people down played everything and helped push lies so their workers would get the fuck back in the office/factory? How many people just said some stupid shit and doubled down to protect their ego when called out?
Like here’s the real issue. You’ve put no real thought at all into why someone might lie about it, as evidenced by the fact that you can only conceive of it being state actors while I came up with all those people incentivized to lie off the top of my head. And then, after putting no real effort into reflection or anything, you look around at all the people who can come up with reasons you’re wrong and claim it feels like a cult.
Because they’re scared and wanted to save face and justify their own decisions. It only takes a few to act like this, then for everyone else it becomes “I know someone that…” And so on.
But I guess no one will ever admit any mistakes.
Do you mean outside of vaccine adverse event reporting system ? A system transparent and dedicated to reporting side effects ? https://www.cdc.gov/vaccine-safety-systems/vaers/index.html
Maybe you should mention where you are from. Because they definitely did not release an untested vaccine into western countries, it was tested and the bugs were worked out, somewhere.
I know someone who knows someone who’s friend’s postman had it and he grew a third arm!
Here’s a link to a website where you can find your intellectual companions and gaslight each other: reddit.com
Why go to Reddit? Plenty of people like you do it on here regularly as well.
Sources. You know. To show you’re not a tool.
I’m sure you can find some papers easily, I haven’t looked into it in years but just from memory there are a few vectors from which problems can arise. The immune system produces antibodies and is responsible for ensuring that they are properly reactive. If this system becomes overactivated, some antibodies may slip through and target the own body, potentially leading to an autoimmune response. We also know that breastfeeding can transfer antibodies from mother to baby. Another consideration is the stability of mRNA production from fetal stem cells. In previous experiments, this process has often been unreliable or unstable. Also the virus mutates much more rapidly than many others, so priming the immune system against a specific variant may reduce its effectiveness against other variants or different viruses.
Sorry but no, this is not how it works. You claim things, you show proof of things. I don’t look it up for you. Provide sources.
Here’s a few: https://www.bmj.com/content/384/bmj.q488 https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2025/12/myocarditis-vaccine-covid.html https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10108562/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9206826/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10022421/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33866000/ https://www.nationalacademies.org/news/new-comprehensive-review-examines-potential-harms-of-covid-19-vaccination-and-intramuscular-vaccination https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M23-2956 https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9021367/ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X22010283 https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/medicine/articles/10.3389/fmed.2025.1501921/full
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7944975/ If not mistaken this study used by Pfizer to support its vaccine global safety, was conducted in Israel using data from Clalit Health Services. The methodology was flawed: Pfizer sponsored the study, the lead researcher had ties to the company, and there was no proper system to track side effects (unlike the U.S. VAERS system)
OK so… Here we are talking about myocarditis (at least in the first 2 articles listed), which is definitely not what you talked about in your first comment.
In the article you mentioned, I quote
“But COVID’s worse,” he added. A case of COVID-19 is about 10 times as likely to induce myocarditis as an mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccination, Wu said. That’s in addition to all the other trouble it causes.
So the vaccine has a small chance to provoke myocarditis (with very fast recovery) and not taking the vaccine has a much higher chance of provoking the same effects plus others much worse, including death.
Then, you list another article about possible autoimmune diseases induced by the vaccine. Again, not your intial topic. I’ll quote the authors:
Our objective is not to refute the importance of vaccines, but to raise awareness about the potential risks of COVID-19 vaccination. In fact, we believe that the benefits of vaccination far outweigh the possible risks and encourage people to get vaccinated
Yeah. I won’t go through all the list, but we get the picture. Nobody’s saying to get vaccinated for fun. Every single sane person should definately be curious of mass vaccination campaigns. But it is important to carefully read studies and not jump to conclusions, be them in favour or against what we believe.
No I can’t find any papers easily on that subject. So show me.
I bet you can’t find sources at all either.
https://www.bmj.com/content/384/bmj.q488
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2025/12/myocarditis-vaccine-covid.html
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10108562/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9206826/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10022421/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33866000/
https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M23-2956
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9021367/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X22010283 https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/medicine/articles/10.3389/fmed.2025.1501921/full
Listen pal, nobody is going to sift through a dozen research articles you dump without any citation.
But just a cursory scan of the first article says .78/1000000 cases have the mentioned side effect and 1.2/1000000 have the other side effect. COVID mortality rate is something like 350x higher lol.
Sure thing
It seems that you are tied with a lot of very unfortunate people. It almost seems improbable.
Any medicine can have side effects its ridiculous that acknowledging that immediately labels you as an anti-vaxxer. This narrative is one of pharmas big successes imo.
I think you mean the concept of that existing is one of the big successes of people who debate scientific topics by flooding the conversation with rapid-fire assertions and FUD.
Nobody is saying vaccines have zero side effects. But everything has side effects, and the side effects for vaccines have been reported just like all other medications. https://www.healthline.com/health/vaccinations/side-effects-of-covid-19-vaccine#age-differences Of the more serious side effects these are mainly reported in 4-5 per one MILLION people.
In comparison, this study https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10123459/ finds that 232,000 deaths could have been prevented AMONG the unvaccinated. This is includes people who could not take the vaccine for specific health reasons who may not have died if people who could took it.
And they were voluntary to take despite it having big consequences for everyone else that some chose not to take them.
I think your making your own conclusions in order to create, for yourself, a soapbox to argue.
Double edged sword.
If we don’t act fast enough, many will die. If we acted too fast with untested vaccine, people may die. I guess will and may are very important here. Would be much preferable if we didn’t suddenly discover and spread the deadly virus.
Yeah, I can definitely see the benefits. But completely dismissing the concerns of those who think differently doesn’t feel very constructive. The pharma companies basically made billions on this with zero liability, its ridiculous.
This comment is probably satire, but anybody reading this should really check out this debate https://youtube.com/watch?v=30W2w02n360.
I know a couple of anti-vax people who won’t take or get any vaccine, but they will happily buy unregulated dick pills from china.
Wait you know more than one anti-vaxxer and they all/both order dick pills, what are the odds.
Also, they don’t just sell them in the pharmacy like in the UK?
AFAIK, Cialis and Viagra (and their generics) are prescription only. So you can’t just have a discussion with the pharmacist to get those.
Those would be the regulated ones
There’s often pills you can buy that contain those or similar compounds. Literally gas station boner pills. At least in my country the government is pretty good at finding/seizing them and releasing notices about it (if you look).
Edit: Just to make sure, do not buy these. They’re not regulated and can cause serious side effects. Go to your doctor if you need something like this.
Some of those illegal gas station pills cause priapism (erection for a dangerously long period of time), which could permanently destroy your ability to get an erection in the future if not treated.
I agree 100 % or other heart-related things depending on what else you may be taking.
Would never recommend buying them and am happy how the government is dealing with them.
Fuck, you made me laugh cough with that last bit.
Well, their kids are. They, no doubt, were vaccinated by their parents.
Half the anti-vaxxers I knew had concerns what was in the shot but did coke all weekend.
I used to party hard and I’ve got fucked up with people going on about Covid vaccine as we are actively doing lines off a fucking table. When id point it out they’d say that’s different.
Idiots.
I mean, the thing they’re not saying is that they think the vaccines are being used to control people. The cocaine is just cocaine.
I’m sure you already know this, but it’s good to remember that flat earthers and the like don’t actually care if the earth is flat or not, that’s not really what it’s about.
Cool username.
Erm… What is flat earth about then? Genuinely curious. Is that to be anti-establishment? As that’s me but I’m bit anti-science. Or is something else.
Oh, I wasn’t expecting the question, haha.
It’s probably easiest to link my favorite videos on the subject, but in short-ish:
The exact way that crack-conspiracist thinking manifests can definitely differ, but the bottom line is that the belief is usually fulfilling some kind of emotional niche. Listlessness, powerlessness, loneliness, etc. This is the reason that the most vulnerable to this kind of thinking are disaffected types who don’t have much going on in their lives.
A person might think they care about the earth being flat, but the thing that actually keeps them there is the excitement that they’re privy to a secret that makes them special just for knowing it, or the feeling of spiteful and vengeful superiority that comes from knowing something that you don’t, or the narrative of ascension that says, when this secret is finally exposed, the special ones will be catapulted to the top of society where they were always meant to be.
If you took flat earth from flat earthers, there’s a good chance they would just sideline into a different conspiracy theory, probably one they’ve already been exposing themselves to, because it’s something that fulfills the same emotional need.
My favorite video on conspiracy/cult dynamics at the moment is this one about that Gamestop stocks thing that happened. I like it because it covers how conspiracists plug-n-play their own beliefs to protect the core of what they want to be true.
But, this one is actually about flat earth, so maybe it’s more relevant.
They’re right, we know exactly the kind of damage snorting powdered drugs has on your nose and heart. They were taking a calculated risk, you were just rolling the dice with your health. Owned again, liberal.
(I AM JOKING)
Had me in the first 95% I can’t lie.
Nobody was thinking straight during the Covid Panic. I got the vaccine because I’m the type of person it likes to kill.
But it surprised me that the crowd that are terrified of Forever Chemcalz, atomz, BPA, microplastics and frequently scream “Regulations are written in blood!” were chomping at the bit to force everyone to get injected with a product from Big Pharma that was fast tracked and bypassed all normal regulations to get to market as soon as possible by the executive orders of a billionaire president they despised.
Meanwhile, the MAGA crowd were booing Trump at his rallies when he told them to go out and get vaccinated.
The whole world had gone cross-eyed.
Edit:
If any humans happen into this thread, take a look at these bots below replying, upvoting, downvoting. It’s shocking. It’s like There Will Come Soft Rains in reverse.
They have no idea what I’m saying. I made a joke about the possibility that vaccines could cause people to explode and they’re taking it at face value. Spitting out the same messages over and over “it’s safe and effective” and “You’re spreading misinformation” and demanding I provide evidence that vaccines cause people to explode and seriously explaining that vaccines do not cause people to explode. Wow.
Maybe the world didn’t go cross-eyed. It was the bots.
I made a joke about the possibility that vaccines could cause people to explode and they’re taking it at face value.
Nobody took it at face value, you lying troll.
bots bots bots bots bots bots bots
The fact that we don’t put up with your troll shit doesn’t make us bots.
Nobody took it at face value, you lying troll.
Ahhhh. I see. Bot angry! Bot smash!
I wish I was a bot so I wouldn’t have to worry about the diseases you’re gonna spread with your idiotic troll shit.
My rational responses will encourage people to get the vaccine. Your psychotic rants will scare them away from it.
Oh come on, you have to be less obvious when you troll!
Yes, I’m sure bashing everyone else who got the vaccine as a brainwashed hypocrite who’s just following trends is the way to encourage more people to get the vaccine. Yes, what a “rational” response to assert that you’re the only person who got it for rational reasons and that everyone else is an idiot.
Come on, you know as well as I do that none of your comments from the very beginning have been about encouraging anyone to get vaccinated. At best it’s about trying to feel superior to everyone. At worst it’s trying to pick a fight and spread confusion and doubt.
Yes, I’m sure bashing everyone else who got the vaccine as a brainwashed hypocrite who’s just following trends
I’m not though because the vast majority of people are not political hobbyists and they, like me, did not get the vaccine because it was fashionable. They got it because it was reasonable.
Come on, you know as well as I do that none of your comments from the very beginning have been about encouraging anyone to get vaccinated.
This is not true. But if you insist on believing it, take comfort from the lessons of Kurt Vonnegut’s Mother Night. Even if I’m pretending to encourage people to get vaccinated, it is still encouraging people to get vaccinated. You are who you pretend to be.
Yes it was fast tracked but it did not bypass all normal regulations.
Not only was the vaccine incredibly safe it was also incredibly effective.
Not only was the vaccine incredibly safe it was also incredibly effective.
Are you telling me, or are you telling yourself that?
I don’t know, man. They said the same thing about PFAS, thalidomide, the 1976 U.S. swine flu vaccine and fentanyl. You could have up to an 80% increased chance of exploding before the age 65.
This is just straight up misinformation.
Show the statistics on ‘an 80% increased chance of exploding before the age 65’ or look at every single study that show it’s incredibly safe.
Are you joking or is the whole world still cross-eyed about this?
Most of the world and the majority of the researchers and scientists agree.
Do you want to provide some studies showing how they’re all wrong?
I’m pretty sure you’re a bot. You seem completely unable to parse my comments.
I feel sorry for people who sign up for vaccine trials and get the placebo.
Sadly, the stupid tend to breed prolifically, and anti-vax idiots often have a gaggle of spawn, and are keen to whelp more litters as the others die from perfectly preventable diseases
Except statistically wealthier people have more kids.
https://ifstudies.org/blog/more-money-more-babies-whats-the-relationship-between-income-fertility
A bullshit religious outfit?
Fuck off with that crap.
That has all the credibility of one of Trump’s crayon drawings
That was just the first hit I got from DuckDuckGo. Look it up yourself and find whatever resource you trust, other than your gut feelings.
If you want to be taken seriously, don’t just link the first thing you see
Especially if it’s from a bunch of religious dipshits.
There are opinions, and then there are qualified opinions
Maybe I’m showing my age, but you really put in the minimum of effort by your own admission, and obviously didn’t read the article to which you linked
I don’t think you’re stupid
I think you’re lazy.
I think about that often. The people who have the most kids are generally the ones who can’t afford them and have a harder time providing extra-curricular activities or those with more extreme religious beliefs who may opt out of scientific education. If your average Mormon has 3-4 kids and your average astrophysicist has 1-2, the population trend must eventually follow.
Well the “stupid will outbreed the smart” has, for all intents and purposes, been debunked by science so you can be fearless!
We can go back to kill bugs now, for Democracy!
Mormons, Jews, Protestants and Catholics, and Muslims all seem to have more children the farther down the crazy path they go. I don’t know enough about other religions.
Of course they have many kids. They need to in order to survive their genes.
Many of their kids never reach adulthood.
Not that many of them die in Western countries although they may have shorter overall lifespans. Doesn’t help that they add generations in 15-22 years instead of 25-40.
In 1st world countries I don’t think that’s true at all…to the point where I’ll say you’re flat out wrong. At least for many, many years that hasn’t been the case.
Can’t comment about less fortunate countries though.
They’re just attempting an R strategy
Ow, my balls
Go away! Baitin’!
nods The natural order.
r strategists
Poor things, give them some homeopathic placebo at least
I can’t describe how many patients I see in an average week who are taking homeopathic stuff for their dental diseases and ask me hopefully if it’s working. No, magic toxin water has not cured your gingivitis or rebuilt your cavitated tooth.
I’m sad that my mom believed in homeopathy. She still went to doctors thankfully and got her cancer treated, but she wasted so much money on snake oil
The real deal 🔥
I honestly am starting to think the anti-vaxx crowd has been astroturfed by pharmaceutical corporations in order to convince the general public that anyone who questions Big Pharma is some loomy who thinks vaccines cause autism wants to drink raw milk.
