• Poplar?@lemmy.worldEnglish
    10·
    13 hours ago

    Would I be wrong to say this is true for most research too? Seems like a missed opportunity not including that.

    • Denvil@lemmy.mlEnglish
      10·
      13 hours ago

      Meanwhile Steam is successful by just not trying to squeeze every last penny they possibly can out of you, and they have a massive grip on games. It’s almost like you get more money by not pissing off the people giving you money

  • jaybone@lemmy.zipEnglish
    8·
    13 hours ago

    I’m with you on this. But if(“true”) makes me want to murder people.

    • bearboiblake@pawb.socialEnglish
      1·
      3 hours ago

      Good eye, looks like that source code image is AI-generated, it looks like no programming language I’ve seen before. It looks closest to a weird hybrid of COBOL and Javascript.

      My apologies for unintentionally exposing innocent people to that, I was not aware.

  • 9point6@lemmy.worldEnglish
    13·
    15 hours ago

    I honestly struggle to understand people who say stuff like this

    Like, do they honestly not have anything productive they would choose to do if they didn’t have anything else taking up all their time? What do they envision they do with themselves?

    We’re humans, humans innately get a kick out of building and creating things, that’s the human nature part. When we don’t experience that, it’s usually down to having the energy ground out of us from our current work or die existence.

    • mycodesucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      15 hours ago

      They understand - they have hobbies too.

      What they mean is, THEIR businesses won’t be productive without desperate people to force into labor.

    • jaybone@lemmy.zipEnglish
      3·
      13 hours ago

      Problem is, no one wants to lay concrete if instead they could be playing violin.

      • alternategait@lemmy.worldEnglish
        12·
        13 hours ago

        I don’t even think that’s necessarily true. Sure I don’t want to lay concrete all afternoon in the blazing sun just like yesterday. But if I had the opportunity and material and could wait for a nice day, I’d totally redo the side walks around my neighborhood three squares at a time. And then go play the violin (ukulele).

      • loonsun@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        7·
        13 hours ago

        I think you’d be surprised. Lot of people like doing things like that and are more put off by the conditions we ask them to work in.

          • Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            7·
            12 hours ago

            Even that would happen.

            In the Freedom Town debacle, the Libertarian dreamtm. Where everything was profit -centered. They had a problem with trash because nobody wanted to do that no matter how much they were being paid.

            So the town had giant trash heaps everywhere, which attracted bears. And everyone moved or died. The end.

            • loonsun@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              2·
              10 hours ago

              Yeah it would, it just wouldn’t look the same. Looking to pre-capitalist societies you find people still making and selling things. Are they doing it for money? Yes and no. An Ale house for example was literally just Ale being sold out of a person’s house and that person would change on a rotation as it was made and sold by different people. This was for like a community service than a profit based business venture.

              • Yondoza@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                1·
                7 hours ago

                And let’s say 95% of people act civilly, but 5% of the population is extremely greedy. How do you limit the greedy from drinking all the ale and not contributing to the community?

                • loonsun@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  1·
                  6 hours ago

                  Well the example I gave was literally during the time of feudalism so in that society you didn’t. I’m a social sciencentist but I don’t have all the answers as, like you pointed out, bad actors are typically a minority which hijackes the society they are in. I don’t think we need to know everything to make a better world, we should start with what we can. If you or I ever find a definitive answer I hope we share that with everyone we can.

      • psx_crab@lemmy.zipEnglish
        5·
        13 hours ago

        Wdym no one. Like, that’s bascially how ancient civilisation do stuff, no profit, just building.

        • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zipEnglish
          2·
          11 hours ago

          Actually, that’s wrong. Developed ancient civilizations (the ones that build roads) used money too. And slavery. And i’m not only talking about ancient Rome or Greece. Mesopotamia, Hindus valley… all of them.

          • psx_crab@lemmy.zipEnglish
            2·
            11 hours ago

            That’s not ancient enough. Go even way back, where people build for community.

            • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zipEnglish
              1·
              11 hours ago

              African tribes? But they were small enough, that top-down ruling worked somewhat.

              Not that this way of living – our instincts are geared to – is wrong. A modern interpretation is federalism, no? Only that the details of what is ruled on which level are often subotimal and the smallest piece usually too big.

          • psx_crab@lemmy.zipEnglish
            1·
            11 hours ago

            We’re not talking about “pouring concrete” in a literal way though, right? What i take from OP is people don’t express themselves with hard labour work when they can do it with easier stuff, which is completely wrong, because one, people build big stuff for fun all the time, and two, people can and do actually do both.

    • gwl [he/him]@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      6·
      10 hours ago

      Yeah, we all know that WIKIPEDIA EDITORS are the highest of the high in status, so many famous Wikipedia editors such as;

      And don’t forget

      So much status

    • ExistingConsumingSpace@midwest.socialEnglish
      2·
      11 hours ago

      The ability to perform a task well, possessing a useful/impressive/entertaining skill, or at least being useful to a group has generally rewarded a person with status throughout human history, regardless of motive or incentive. Sometimes, that status is limited to very specific peers, though it can often provide various levels of status in a larger societal sense.

      • a4ng3l@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        9 hours ago

        In belgium the personal statute of the firefighters themselves doesn’t matter for the eventual invoice. Some services are paying, other are not (yet). They get compensated for their time though. Who the fuck would not compensate them for their services? I nearly lost my father a couple of times and I practically never saw him growing because he was so invested in that… imagine that for free…

        • electric_nan@lemmy.mlEnglish
          3·
          8 hours ago

          I agree that it is absolutely worth funding fire departments and paying the workers! In the US we have both “professional” (paid) and volunteer (unpaid) firefighters. The volunteers are almost always in rural counties. They have other, unrelated jobs, and are “on call” in their free time (they carry around a radio).

      • RepleteLocum@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        2·
        12 hours ago

        The fire department I volunteered at charged you for stuff like car crashes. A few weeks ago I got a bill from the fire department for a car accident I caused. Maybe it’s a European thing? The fire department does get funding from the country and from events they host (that’s probably just an Austrian thing)