What’d I miss?

  • apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world
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    Just some Lemmy web front end that rolls with some instances for which the admin injected a block list for accounts that are unapologetically pro-trans and/or leftist. People, myself included, are on that block list. There is much more to it but that’s the jist.

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      The block list is cringe lol. It reads like something a snowflake libertarian or centrist would make to isolate themselves from reality so they can live out their lives in delusion. 🙉 🙈 🙊

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      Didn’t we have this discussion before on Lemmy? I remember seeing a blocklest in some frontend before. Was that something else than Tesseract?

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      So just the usual stupidity then. Cool. Wish people could just act normal. Diversity is a natural thing and to deny it is insanity.

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        That’s a big distortion. They are accounts that advocate violence or other problematic political views. Many of them are also LGBT, but that’s not why they are on the block list.

        I do think it’s problematic for a client/frontend to default-block any group of individuals or instances at all, but portrayimg it as motivated by bigotry when it’s not is pretty messed up too.

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          6 hours ago

          Aw, you poor widdle soul. Stating they are advocating “problematic political views” is just telling on yourself, isn’t it?

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            You’re right, I should specify (although the condescension is not helping your case). They are views deemed problematic by the Tesseract dev.

            I’ve had run-ins with other devs or instance admins who find my views problematic, and banned me from their community/instance/whatever. That’s unfortunate, but it’s transparent. People know who the petty tyrants are and act accordingly.

            This is something different.

            Having a frontend preemptively blocking users and instances based on the sole judgment of the dev is unprecedented AFAIK. We don’t need to invent intimations of bigotry to see why this is wholly bad for the platform. It goes against basic principles of transparency, openness, and free choice that the Fediverse is based on.

            I believe that a front-end (client) should be a tool to access the service/network. It shouldn’t be making content decisions. If someone wants to make a block list and publish it for others to use, that’s great. If someone wants to trust an admin for content curation/blocking, well… that’s how this whole thing works. People choose or change instances based largely on that trust. But to have a tool for accessing the network also modifying the content? That’s bad, and a bad precedent.

        • Kamikaze Rusher@lemmy.world
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          They are accounts that advocate violence or other problematic political views.

          My username appears on the list and I don’t believe my comment history aligns with this statement at all. I believe my username is just unique enough to not have another instance of it. Selection of some usernames do not appear to support their (admiralpatrick) claims of violence advocation nor extreme political views.

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            See, THIS is the issue I wish people would focus on. The dev of a pretty important frontend has set up a block list. They have made it the default. They have not applied a clear and equitable criteria, set up a community feedback channel, or any sort of crowdsourced input.

            The modlog is open, meaning that anyone can see exactly what moderators and admins (generally) are up to. People can (and do) push back when things decisions are punitive, arbitrary, or unclear.

            This is not that. You have no way to see why your username was included, or correct it if it was in error. There is no community feedback to direct what standard makes sense.

            That’s the problem. It’s draconian. By manufacturing some shrill accusations of bigotry, yeah, it makes a lot more flashy posts, but doesn’t help in addressing the issue. If we can’t accurately name problems, we can’t solve them. We are just a mob on a witch-hunt.

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          but portrayimg it as motivated by bigotry when it’s not is pretty messed up too.

          Explain to me the non-bigoted reason for blocking the entire lemmy.blahaj.zone instance (which is predominantly trans), as well as blocking various terms related to queer identities. (Hint: there isn’t one, fuck this guy.)

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          11 hours ago

          Guessing you checked the list for your name again right before posting this lol

          Why would you believe that reasoning? This guy is your friend or something?

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              Believing without questioning some shit you read on the Internet is the last thing I would call rational

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                In my experience anonymous people online don’t hide their bigotry behind an eloborate 10-point system. In this case, yes. I believe the motivation is exactly as it’s presented.

                The fact that the dev clearly thinks it is a fair justification shows exactly the mindset. The problem is bad enough on its own without making up additional poorly founded accusations.

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                  Now you’re just making up shit that I supposedly believe. The far more likely explanation for them doing this is “whatever reason they have at the time for not liking someone”.

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              Nope, I’m just a rational person who doesn’t automatically buy into hysteria.

              Wow you’re so much smarter and better than everyone, you’re so cool(🖕)

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        I’m sad I didn’t make the cut, but last I checked, I was the only active user on my instance lol. Like a one-man sloop in an ocean of clippers.

        Sure, I could shut it down and just register elsewhere, but I keep it around as my service to an open web free from fascist and corporate control.

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        I know, me too! At least there is comfort in knowing he can’t shut all of us up.

        PRO-CHOICE 🩷 PRO-TRANS 🩷 ANTI-MAGA ❌ ANTI-ISRAEL ❌

      • Maki@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
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        Someone’s existence is not to be debated. It’s not an opinion to agree or disagree with. The frontend’s creator needs to learn that lesson.

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    This guide page goes into what an alternative UI is, and some of the popular ones that are available. It is a little out of date, lemmy.ca also dropped tesseract we are no longer hosting Tesseract for lemmy.ca

    https://fedecan.ca/en/guide/threadiverse/alternative-uis

    The controversy around tesseract is better explained elsewhere, but it boils down to a questionable blocklist that the dev was injecting into the tool, without it being made apparent to the users or admins

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        I’ll edit that comment for clarity

        We host a few of the frontends on our own infrastructure, which improves performance for users, among other benefits like reducing strain elsewhere. It’s also easy for our local users to remember that old.lemmy.ca goes to the old interface, photon.lemmy.ca to photon, blorp.lemmy.ca to blorp etc. We are taking down the Tesseract one.