I doubt this will take off like, say, GlassDoor, but if it catches on, could be an interesting resource to make oneself feel better. Orders of magnitude more data are needed for this to be useful.
The moment you realize a company is only a machine concerned with turning a profit and not an actual person you interact with and expect politeness and humanity out of, you’ll stop feeling offended by companies ghosting you.
When a company sends you a letter to tell you your application has been rejected, it’s only a courtesy extended to you by a HUMAN HR person who actually cares about behaving decently, not by the company. So enjoy the gesture when it happens, but simply ignore it when it doesn’t.
A hiring manager told me when she fills a position, it automatically sends the email to the other candidates. It’s not a human touch.
Not all companies use dedicated HR management systems - let alone good ones.
I was going to write “this depends on the ATS used” but I thought that was a safe assumption. Seems not so!
My point was, any minute you spend fretting about a machine not pretending to behave humanely with you, or reporting them for not pretending to behave humanely, is a minute of your life you’ll never get back.
Just assume your application was rejected after x weeks - depending on your field of work - and move on with your life. Companies will never be humane.
I guess? But imagine if enough people took a couple minutes to post about how organization XYZ sucks, and (because the stock markets are irrational vibes based) that caused their stocks to drop a few points. That’s the only thing they care about. I’m willing to put in a few minutes if it might emotionally harm an asshole.
I think you and OP are viewing the problem differently.
I think you’re saying “Don’t worry about it when they ghost you”, which is fine. I agree with that sentiment. I don’t worry about it when companies ghost me.
OP, however, is saying a company’s tendency to ghost applicants can be wielded against them to discourage the practice. By crowdsourcing information about which companies put in the minimal effort to send out a simple rejection message, some pressure may be exerted on companies that fail to do so. Looking bad on Glassdoor/Yelp/whatever can lead to some companies deciding to change their practices. Not because the company suddenly wants to do the right thing, but because they are now being publicly shamed for their bad behavior. And that could affect their bottom line
Human HR person is about as courteous as a cop. And they are fucking useless
There’s no reason in these days of automated systems why they can’t send out a “thanks, but not this time” email, text or whatever.
I actually ususually get that. Once in awhile its from an email where I can reply thank you for your time.
Friends and i have been sharing the same excel doc for years now. It has all the companies we have all applied to and thier respective process. Its helped weed out bad companies in our area for years.
Wr have been talking qbout making an app for years…but its easier to just do a control f or sort. And its been close to 20 years ish. Now its a libre office sheet. Its beem through many iterations.
This is awesome but it can never have an impact on hiring practices. Making this information public can change behaviors, given the data can’t be cooked.
I mean there is a VERY small pool of people that are good at their jobs and in our area of expertise. And once one of us gets a good job, we usually all try to go to that company within reason.
Fair enough. You guys can basically collude to control the labor supply, if your niche is small enough. All the more power to you; I wish more of the labor force had guns like that.
Local subreddits used to have lists of things like top restaurants or little known museums etc. if your area has a community on Lemmy you might be able to contact the mods and see if they’d be interested in a sidebar link for it or something.
People with their own community websites did this before reddit existed. Then yelp and google did it whole-scale. Then they enshittified it when those websites were gone/didn’t rank.
I should do this for my area
Sometime ago I had the opportunity to interview and hire 4 interns for our team. We are a very small company and had like 300 applicants. It’s brutal on both sides. I got things to do and deadlines to meet. I can only do so much. So I started replying to of the candidates that didn’t make it. For us it’s very technical and specific what we are looking for, but it’s still hard to say sorry but you didn’t make it. But regardless of what I feel, HR stepped in …two HR people… and they told me to stop sending closure emails. They AI crafted a single reply email and mass mailed it to the remaining people. I think with my heart as if I was the candidate. They think with whatever the fuck makes you think of people as “resources”. It’s probably something to do with not bankrupting the company by bringing the wrong people in and pissing off everyone else.
Some of that is true. One of our candidates turned out to be a nice guy but extremely lazy and entitled. It’s hard to work with someone like that in your small team. Not only do you have to do the hard work that 20 people used to do before the pandemic lay offs but now you also gotta put up with some shit from captain know it all but only after you tech them 39 times what to know and when to know it.
One of our candidates turned out to be a nice guy but extremely lazy and entitled
Not only do you have to do the hard work that 20 people used to do before the pandemic lay offs
Is the guy properly lazy, or is he just not willing to handle the workload of 20 people? I’m a hard worker, but only up to a certain point. If I joined a small team that had one employee trying to handle the work that used to be split between 20 employees, I wouldn’t exactly be inspired to go above and beyond my post/pay grade; I’d be concerned that no amount of extra effort I put in would ultimately matter because the team is fundamentally understaffed.
It’s employee owned. But it’s still under a management structure. There’s a little nepo prick gunning for my job. Yeah life is good. I haven’t quit because I want to keep feeding my kids. It’s a tough position.
They think with whatever the fuck makes you think of people as “resources”.
Yeah. They change their own titles, but I worry it’s still the same – they just remembered the ‘human’ part of ‘human resources’ is merely an adjective.
Tried to submit one and it didn’t seem to go through.
My hypothetical is a lot of recruiters are kind of bad at their job, but there’s so many desperate candidates that they don’t need to do much to get passable results.
They are also so full of themselves
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Every company does this. So this will be great if you want a database of companies that exist.
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When you get a job, do you go back and notify all the companies that you interviewed with? Because I don’t.
My advice: get as many interviews as you can. When you’re done, forget about them and move on to the next one.
When I get a job, I do notify those that gave me an offer. If a company has already rejected me then of course I’m not emailing them back to say “yeah, well I’m rejecting you!”
I do notify those that gave me an offer
And the ones that didn’t?
Well then I’m still waiting for them to carryout their side of the bargain. I submitted an application and/or attended an interview and am waiting for them to make a decision. Obviously that ball’s not in my court otherwise I’d just tell them “I’m working here now!”
otherwise I’d just tell them “I’m working here now!”
Can be a surprisingly effective tactic sometimes.
Just show up for work, start working. Later, complain to HR that you don’t seem to have gotten your onboarding materials, and your first paycheck is late. With a little luck, the HR person will think you were omitted due to an error in the system and they’ll manually add you. And then, congrats – you’ve got a job!
Cats excel at this. I’m not sure I could pull it off at work.
Where I have to go …
Because a cat adopted me. Again.
But it’s not, because you got a job, and thus are no longer interested/eligible.
Not remotely true. Having a job does not remove you from the job market. If I accept an offer for my 5th most desired position and a month later receive an offer for my 1st, I am well within my rights, means, and desire to just switch again.
So then isn’t the reverse also true? Just because the company has filled the position doesn’t mean they can’t change their mind? So they don’t need to tell you?
The ball’s still in their court. They are welcome to change their mind, but they should conclude the immediate interaction. A “we have filled the position at this time. We’ll be in touch if anything changes.” message would be sufficient and easy to automate. They just don’t for … reasons.
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That’s why I like applying to government positions because they have like a tracker and shows you every step, and you get a response when the position closed and updates after interviews so you know your status
You at least know where you stand thats for sure.
It would be awesome if you could localize the results. Knowing that Microsoft is one of the worst offenders helps me very little, because I live in bumfuck nowhere. However, I bet I’d find some useful stuff at https://bumfucknowhere.didtheyghostyou.com/
I have MULTIPLE spreadsheets I’ve kept from every job search just for this day LMAO
