this is why you can’t have videogame cards anymore.
They made games like war and war like a game.
Ukraine-Russia war is in the interest of the USA
so much so it’s in fact a us proxy war with russia.
Sure, Russia just has to stop and the US won’t have that advantage anymore. Deal?
İmperialist USA keeps provoke Russia . But it doesnt not mean Russia is not imperialist and expansionist
By all means consider Nvidia a valid military target
Does this mean it can play Doom?
ai gives me faith that those rockets will miss more than they hit
The US bombed a girl’s school in the opening salvos against Iran because their AI fucked up.
Missiles that miss their target still hit something.
Rocket missing a military target sometimes means a rocket incidentally hitting a civilian object, so not good. All kinds of rockets and drones are used to hit targets in all major cities. They’re not only used for some standalone objects in the middle of nowhere.
Where did you get the idea Russia is aiming at military targets?
to paraphrase an old american air force saying, russian missiles have 100% accuracy, they always hit something
true, but giving ai control is asking for much more bad targeting and collateral damages
This is a big deal, no?
Not really. If confirmed, it means someone somewhere was smart enough to do something like drive across a border in a truck with fake papers. It’s very, very unlikely that Nvidia directly sold to anyone in a way that would get them in trouble.
No. First, need to verify.
Second, need to investigate how they got it. Might be not Nvidia’s fault.
Third, capitalism will be the end of most of us.Mostly third
Global Capitalism > Discrete Imperialism
remember when A ps3 was considered militarily significant…
good old days
Well the airforce did build a PS3 supercomputer
True fact!
As a side note, I’ve been learning about how weird the ps3 cell architecture is, and why it’s so hard to emulate.
IIRC the hardest thing about PS3 emulation was the fact that Cell was an 8 core cpu, and at the time of PS3’s release, single core CPUs were still very dominant, and even years after the PS3s release only dual core CPUs had become a thing, with the bleeding edge just getting into 4 cores.
The 8 “cores” were co-processors, so not really cores the way we think about them now.
The architecture is unconventional because the bus design to move data between the these and the gpu is very fast, but had a weird pipeline to determine how to route that data.
Apparently it’s a very difficult thing to reproduce in a virtual environment.
so it was, thnx!
It’s the NVIDIA Jetson Orin NX 16 GB. From the Ampere family, 3.5 years old. Small Tegra SoC.
I guess something like this is a typical dual use good, and doesn’t fall under the AI Chip export restriction either because it’s too weak. Seems like it would be trivial for Russians to import them from China or India or whomever really.
That’s actually a lot more recent than I expected. Was guessing something fairly ancient and pre-sanctions, like 2018. Interesting.
As the other commenter said, likely from China. The US banned exports of the super high-end chips to China IIRC, but not low-end stuff. And India is known to sell anything to anyone as well.
India does not have a state controlled economy, unlike China. What would be the issue if an Indian company sold non sanctioned goods to an ally? Or are you just an ignorant racist?
Odd to consider that Nvidia is now an arms dealer.
Apple once advertised their new PowerMac G4 was so powerful it was classified as a munition and hence illegal to export. (this was stretching the truth a bit as the regulation allowing export of over 1 gigaflops machines had already passed)
Encryption used to be considered a controlled munition by the US.
The fucktard who made the Oculus Rift likes to use my preferred operating system to kill people. Tech is a wild world.
Edit: actually not just tech. Capitalism is just evil in general and polutes everything both literally and metaphorically
We live in a world where it’s sorta just widely understood that the bottled-water chocolate-bar company murders people for profit on the regular
It’s all fucked at every level
Palmer Luckey is the goofiest looking cunt out hey. Imagine looking at yourself in the mirror with that stupid goatee and thinking you know what would go well with this, a hawaian shirt. Imagine having so much but being worth so little. What a fucken loser.
Palmer Luckey
Not to mention the mullet! He’s certainly made some choices.
Shall we mention also The Banana Company and, well, South America?
But but shareholder value of artificial money funneling system which has totally fair rules we made up and misuse.
You can tell who is evil by their company being named after Lord of the Rings lore.
That said, Linux is not exempt from being used in weapons.
Linux devs usually don’t make a business out of it though. That’s the thing about FOSS: you do not have much control over what people do with it.
Linux devs usually don’t make a business out of it though.
Horrible to imagine, finding Russian missile software on Gitlab.
That’s the thing about FOSS: you do not have much control over what people do with it.
That’s the thing about FOSS licensing, at least legally. Depending on which one you choose it controls what people do with it quite a lot.
About licensing:
Yes and no. Plenty of people or companies just don’t care and it can be hard to prove otherwise. And in the context of military software, well… I doubt russian software devs are even allowed to publish anything related, despite the respective FOSS possibly requiring it.Hence
at least legally
Always have been. Orin nano/nx SoMs are in all sorts of weapons systems. NixOS had a whole community civil war because Anduril heavily adopted NixOS and integrated it with Jetpack, the BSP that these run. They’re kind of a PITA to use (fuck you WayneWWW…IYKYK) but they’re easily the highest performance SoM of that size and the power consumption is workable for these kinds of…short lived systems. I think they started out targeting automotive applications and never really took off in the commercial world despite being comparable to Apple silicon in performance because they have no power saving modes. They ended up being perfect for doing real time object detection from a MIPI camera though so now they’re the gold standard for bleeding edge slaughterbots.
Before the Orin, a lot of more experimental systems were using the TX2i and Xavier modules, but they had much less computing power and the image recognition models weren’t as capable anyway.
This guy tegras
Interesting, thanks. I’ve seen NixOS requirements in german military projects. And it is very interesting looking at western downed drone teardowns in the Ukraine. I kept looking for NVidia logo there.
Nvidia doesn’t really put a big logo on anything, but if you know the shape of the modules they’re easy to spot.
All of the tech giants discovered that there is much more money to be made making tech for dystopian authoritarian governments than gamers. It was inevitable I guess.
Just look at the long, long, LONG list of American and European companies helping Israel murder little children…
much more money to be made making tech for dystopian authoritarian governments
Like the US/western Oligarch Regimes for instance…
Yeah, and also Russian/Chinese oligarch regimes. What’s your point?
I think the point is oligarch bad.
It’s a more efficient, direct, and profitable method for destroying the planet.
See also almost all “technology” under capitalism.
Pepsi once had a sizeable army, iirc
Air force and navy.
Yeah, didn’t they buy it from Russia?
As someone with previous defense connections, I’d been wondering when we’d see this.
ITAR has severely restricted access to nav system tech export, but there was always this open question about reckoning position by visual cues rather than GPS + dead reckoning. We all knew it was technically feasible, but we assumed that having “visual” cues was further out because AI at the time wasn’t up to the task.
The answer is the same, though. Nvidia, willing or not, is now a defendant in an unjust war, and must be subpoena’d by the ICC. At a minimum, they should be immediately sanctioned by foundry specialists (like ASML) until they are prepared to account for how, exactly, this tech ended up in a Russian missile.
Current defense worker here:
Was talking with a coworker recently about how ITAR/EAR rules are hilariously out of date. Basic IMUs coming from China these days are good enough that you can establish a reasonable dead reckoning nav to where those parts of the munitions list are just defunct. Shit I did that in college ten years ago with high power rockets and things have only gotten better.
The new proposed regulations over AI chips are also wildly misguided and demonstrate how Congress/Executive branch have no idea what the tech even is. The top of the line chips today are needed for LLMs, fast fixture acquisition and tracking can be done on a way less powerful piece of hardware that new regulations will fail to stop (that’s even assuming that the bans would have worked in the first place, which they won’t)
we assumed that having “visual” cues was further out because AI at the time wasn’t up to the task.
For just terrain recognition, the US has had that since before there was GPS. Since the 1950s even.
Lots of cheap plane-type drones do terrain navigation now. And the Russians are busily deploying their military version of Starlink.
Nvidia, willing or not, is now a defendant in an unjust war, and must be subpoena’d by the ICC.
Subpoenas only exist in the US. Since it did not sign the Rome treaty, and since Nvidia is an American company - the ICC has no power here.
ITAR has severely restricted access to nav system tech export, but there was always this open question about reckoning position by visual cues rather than GPS + dead reckoning. We all knew it was technically feasible, but we assumed that having “visual” cues was further out because AI at the time wasn’t up to the task.
There’s always going back to the old-fashioned method of having a trained pigeon inside of the device instead of a sophisticated computer vision system.
Or the pigeon can be the drone itself, what a wonderful world it is
Wasn’t there some historical leader with mad beef with someone they were at war with, she requested several pigeons as part of peace negotiations and she released them to fly back carrying burning twigs and absolutely destroyed the enemy city?
Edit: Added a necessary word lol
Yes, Saint Olga of Kyiv.
It might not even be for vision applications. These little tegra boxes end up in all sorts of rapid prototype DSP applications. It could easy be doing comms or ECM.
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The unjust war CIA and MI6 took great pains and a long time to prepare you mean?
Sources? Credible or incredible; just not some Telegram channel please. Open www.
The rest of your comment is just whataboutism, and writing “you people” on social media always says more about the writer’s mental health than about said people. No disrespect.
America is a terrorist nation and if you can’t see it… I dunno what to tell you, man.
Plenty of western tech still ends up in Russian weapons, it’s nothing new. NVidia should be just put in queue.
Plenty of western tech still ends up in Russian weapons
and they too should be held accountable.
If I can’t buy lower-priced Chinese RAM, then Russia shouldn’t be able to make weapons with our tech
I know that’s not how it works but it should be
Can it play doom?
It IS doom
But can it PLAY it?
Yes, but people die IRL when you play it.
Please file a bug report if you think the respawn system isn’t working.
That’s a bad tradeoff imho
But it comes with a free frozen yogurt
Then I’ll allow it
The frogurt is also cursed
It makes sense to use Machine Learning technology (not the Generative crap, the actual pattern recognition stuff) for terminal target recognition.
The surprise would be if Russia did not use AI in their newest cruise missile design - just because their society is fucked up and their leadership is a socipathic, disconnected autocrat surrounded by yes men that put his own personal pride above the lives of millions of his countrymen, doesn’t mean Russia doesn’t have the people with the technical knowledge to design systems with AI (though certainly far fewer of those than they had before they tried to invade Ukraine, since a ton of the Russians with the highest qualifications left).
I mean, given them another 50 years or so in their current trajectory, but for now they’re probably still capable of creating their own high-tech solutions in focused applications.
You severely overestimate Russia’s technological capabilities. For the last 30 years all of the money has been moving to politician’s pockets. They are not losing in Ukraine because of a fluke, they are losing because they are a hollowed out shell of what they used to be.
For many years when I lived in Britain I had a good friend and for a while work colleague who came from Russia. At least when he studied there (so, 30 years ago) their educational system at least for Science and Mathematics was no worse than those in Europe. In fact it’s one of the few good things the so-called “Communist” countries tend to do - they invest heavilly in Education.
Beyond that, there are two different things:
- One is a country’s capabilities to have sizable industries operating at a certain technological level.
- The other one is finding a handful of specialists for very specific design projects in highly controlled environments where making a profit is no concern.
Whilst it makes sense that Russia has trouble in the first case of actually doing high tech as a business, in size and profitably, because they at least did have a very good educational systems in Science and Mathmatics it also makes sense that they do have people with the know-how there which they could gather for specific high tech design projects were “money is not a problem” since they did train techies as good as the rest of Europe and it was not that long ago so those people are still alive.
Honestly?
Isn’t diffusion the process of training AI to fill in missing detail and denoisong? Based on probability? So why not train it against chaff and smoke and jamming?
Generative AI couldn’t be functionally worse than trying to use birds pecking as a guidance system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pigeon
Morally bankrupt though
not the Generative crap, the actual pattern recognition stuff
The generative crap requires pattern recognition stuff to work at all.
But I know what you mean. I am just being pedantic.
“Vhen rockets go up, who cares vhere zey come down? Zat’s not my department!”
Sarcasm aside, you can buy these in dev kits on MicroCenter:
https://www.microcenter.com/product/691058/nvidia-jetson-orin-nano-super-developer-kit
Which means the components are pretty widely available. I’m not sure how you’d prevent someone from ordering a bunch to an in-between country and then shipping them on to Russia after.
I wonder whether it’d be possible by tracking serial numbers. You might get the first customer.
Potentially, assuming they weren’t stolen or sold off to a secondary buyer from a legit first customer. Problem is another one just pops up in its place.
I’m not saying don’t persue them, I’m saying it’s a game of state funded whack’a’mole.
Even if they were stolen, you at least know the origin. But yes, it’s not easy to stop leaks of publicly sold items.
You might get the first customer.
… and then you find something like a Philippinian trading giant where you still can’t know or do a thing.
You could ban them from further sales. Or apply moar tariffs to them.
If the smugglers are even marginally competent they won’t use their real personal information for the orders, nor the same fake information from one order to the next.
You? TBH I wouldn’t do this because I don’t really care.
Capitalism is evil and tracking some shipment for the benefit of some empire won’t change that at all.
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