The things I’ve heard as a pale person even in a professional environment, where if you would simply swap “white” to “black”, “pale” to “dark” would get you fired on the spot. But for some reason, commenting on someone’s skin color if they’re pale is perfectly socially acceptable, encouraged even since it often gets a laugh from others.
Replies to your comment proved your point surprisingly quickly.
Probably because the entire western world didn’t systematically buy and enslave kidnapped pale people, treat them as subhuman and breed them like livestock - so it’s not as touchy a subject.
Edit: Guess that’s still a touchy subject. You wanted an answer for why it’s still socially acceptable to joke about pale skin but not dark skin, and that’s pretty obviously the answer why it’s not the same thing.
Or maybe the downvotes are because the breeding only happened in the Southern US and French, German, British, Australian, and Belgian lemmies don’t wanna get roped in on that specific colonial history.
Not even that, colorism is prevalent globally–whiter skin privilege exists pretty much around the world. Look at mass media from Mexico and India and you’ll see a bunch of people who are several shades lighter than the majority.
Because skin tone still relates to status, pale equals you can stay inside rather than in the field.
Meanwhile in Northern Europe tan is status, as it indicates you can be in the sun outside rather than stuck in the office
Yes, but to say that something bad exists independently of European colonialism is heresy. /s
Though, to be fair, European colonialism made it worse.
Poor white people, they have it so hard. 😞
What kind of reply is this even supposed to be?
All of their replies are usually trash. They’re an enlightened tankie and we’re all just stupid libs.
Not even close to the point being made. Skin colour is being used as an analogy for imposing beauty standards and you’re implicitly defending that.
As a very pale person who was bullied a lot for it and probably has lasting personal doubt from that bullying, I think there is just a fundamental difference (in the US). One is “just” mean and bullying, but there is no horrific dehumanizing history behind it. Both are bad, but I don’t think they’re directly substitutable in the way you describe, as I think it cheapens the history of slavery and racism
talking about skin color is not a problem. But the way you quickly put “white-black” there makes me think that, yes, indeed it’s better for you if you keep your mouth shut at work
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Yes! Most “white” people are in fact light brown. They cannot stand being around anybody different.
I’m mostly pink with some blue, and I heard all about it in high school. Later, in college (uni) I got over it because my punk, goth, and Black friends didn’t care. But man those “white” girls in high school were rotten.
The uncorfortableness around the skin color of “colored” people has to do with their oppression at the hands of white people. It not about their skin color more about their oppression
For me, there are so many things that a person could do to make me uncomfortable with them, their skin being a different tone of beige than mine isn’t one of them.
And once again
redditorslemmings learn that using different words changes the meaning of statements.
As someone with fair skin, yeah, you cannot tan- only burn. Whenever our partner sees too much skin they’re like “WHY ARE YOU SO WHITE?!” Lol
Think next time we’ll reply “how else are we going to be Gondor’s beacon in their time of need?!”
why are you using the Royal We?
From @GarboDog@lemmy.world’s profile:
A silly girl filled with silly things. She/Her/They/Them/We/Us Yes we’re a system lol garbodog.neocities.org
They are multiple entities in a (girl) body. Sometimes only one is speaking, sometimes all. More about systems and other plurals: morethanone.info / pluralpedia.org
Some plurals use pronouns.cc for their interaction preferences but I couldn’t find such info for them. Many prefer not to be addressed “you” but “y’all” and in chat rooms with plurals, using “beings/folks” and “everymany” rather than “people” and “everyone” for inclusivity.
Ew entirely to much work for saying hi
to much work
to
For you? Sure. They will likely correct you the first time and not consider occasional slip-ups (I make them too) in bad faith. If you don’t demonstrate good faith, no wonder they won’t want to keep talking to you. The reason I highlighted pronouns.cc pages is because they offer clear and concise info on interacting. Examples: Appie / Starlight
Haven’t seen that site before!! Thank you for being out here for us, we’ll set up a pronouns.cc tomorrow if that helps people :>
FYI, the Fediverse login works with Mastodon, Misskey and similar, not Lemmy or Piefed
Thank you!! We signed up with our discord account since we don’t have mastodon up and working yet
Gotta add all the sillies later, but it’s up at least lol
You can just refer to us as she/her or they/them. We don’t mind people not using our individual pronouns (they are complicated) but y’all is super appreciated :3
Either way, we don’t care as long as you play nice so the “ew” is kinda uncalled for
I don’t mind referring to people’s gender presentation. What I’m not going to do is the “now I’m a girl, oops now a boy.” Extra pronouns. All that bull is. You get one the one your presenting and that’s it. Asking others to do all that is just self centered and not thinking of others.
We’re not asking that though, but ok??
Like we said before, you can refer to us as she/her or they/them that’s up to you with one you want to choose that’s what she/they means. No one’s asking you to jump through hoops dude, it’s just pronouns-are you like scared of them or something??
Sometimes I feel like yall pretend like yall don’t have silly people like that. I’ve literally met someone like that.
Also if you actually read my comment then you’d understand that I don’t mind playing along with 1 gender you’re present. It’s all that extra shit I ain’t doing.
Wow, i never know people who can’t get tanned exist. It just never crossed my mind that some white people are white because they can’t get tanned.
Albinos can’t tan. Everyone else should be able to, to a greater or lesser extent. It may just be the difference between a lighter shade of pale and pale, though (and now that song is playing in your head also).
Some people tan. Other people freckle until they’ve got so many that they connect. Other people burn, peel, and then get darker. (And of course, most people are some shade of brown to begin with, but still get darker if they spend time in the sun.)
Went with my Canadian ex-gf and her cousin to Barcelona. They were peeling after a full day in the sun, felt so bad for them. I never really understood it because I would always tan.
YEOUCH!!! We haven’t had a sun burn like that since we were a kid, and it was so bad we had to get examined at the dermatologist. Though normally now we burn even with the highest spf sun block so we tend to always stay in the shade ^^
Would that count as yuri? hehe
Just want to insert my complaint about the way that shit was shot in the movies. Highly unlikely those beacons would have remained staffed and funded in the political environment of Gondor and Rohan.
Edit: I mean, I get it if it’s farming village to fortress to farming village, but paying and supplying people to sit on desolate mountain tops would not be economically viable. Maybe if there was a religion associated with it you could pull it off.
In England the money due for the maintenance of beacons was called Beaconagium and was levied by the sheriff of each county.
Coool… I love that for medieval England. I hope they caught some Vikings with their mail off.
My dispute is the expense of running a beacon systems through an unpopulated and unfarmable mountain range combined with the seeming diplomatic distance between Rohan and Gondor.
Yeah. Unpopulated areas can’t be taxed or supplied.
They definitely can be supplied, but it’s just more expensive, and might require diplomacy with whomever does inhabit that land / military support from brigands.
Here’s a bit on the Byzantine beacon system:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_beacon_system
Byzantium was highly connected with the outside world, but Gondor seems very isolated… but I also don’t know where they are getting the food to feed Minas Tirith, because its surrounded by a plain of completed undeveloped farmland… but again, more a criticism of the movie presentation than the conceptual validity of the beacons in the context of the books which I have been as abandoned by me as the Mines of Moria. “It looks cool as fuck” is a fine motivation to put something in a movie.
I like to think the promise was made in better times and as proof of the kings’ sincerity they paid in advance.
I assume they were not permanently staffed and what we see in the film is a montage. Someone in his farming village saw the Gondor beacon and had to climb to the top of the hill with the local beacon and light it, then someone in the next village sees that beacon and climbs up to theirs and so on. It probably takes a few days and sending a messenger would’ve been faster.
If only Amazon had bought the rights to RotK, they could have spent a whole season on that.
One time I was chillin’ by the pool at the Golden Nugget in Las Vegas, sitting in the shade because I’m a pasty white dude who doesn’t tan at all. After a few hours, I went back to my room where I was surprised to find my entire upper body was sunburned.
Turns out the hotel towers at the Golden Nugget have a reflective surface and I am so white that I managed to get sunburned by the light reflecting off the building.
Ime being super pale is like being an unripe avocado.
There’s no point where you hit the seeet spot. You just go straight to sunburn
lol my friend basically did that to me when she saw me in shorts for the first time. I had been stuck inside for a few months recovering from injuries. She took me to a store and when I was standing in the sun, she looked at my legs and goes “omg Dkppunk! Your legs are so pale!” I laughed because she wasn’t trying to insult me, she had just never seen my legs before.
Thankfully, I’m a super pale person that my burn does tan, I just don’t go outside much so I stay pretty pale.
This is probably her best strip ever.
My wife and I were giggling like loons for days after running across it.
I have 3 shades of skin. White, Pink and Burnt.
It’s rather nice being able stun would be attackers just by showing some leg.
Thanks, I was actually looking for this one not too long ago.
Meh. Not into skin color shaming.
Muster the host!
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