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    Considering that the two projects funded by Cloudflare are headed by known bigots (Andreas Kling and DHH), it makes me distrust Cloudflare even further.

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      i give them the benefit of the doubt, as stated on their website:

      All sponsorships are in the form of unrestricted donations. Board seats and other forms of influence are not for sale.

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          Is there evidence or something to support your assertion that Cloudflare = NSA?

          Even if Cloudflare = NSA, there no evidence to support your parallel. If the Ladybird team does something suspicious or hostile to the interests of its users - please let us know.

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            Edward fucking Snowden and the Patriot Act.

            Cloudflare is not authorized to disclose that they are.

            They decrypt all traffic going through them for deep packet analysis. It would be dumb of the US not to make use of that. Look at Palantir. Or the recent Azure fiasco with the Unit 8200.

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              It is naive to trust any US-based service. The devil’s advocate in me just wanted to hear why you believe what you do, so thanks for that.

              My angle was mostly to point out that Ladybird hasn’t done anything obviously morally bankrupt like the politicians you pointed out - the only detracting factors to me about the project are 1) that the nonprofit is based in the US 2) that it’s not written in Rust.

              Of course, it’s worth being suspicious of a web browser of all things. I just see Cloudflare’s contribution in a neutral light given Cloudflare’s general strategy towards PR and the fact that the Ladybird browser is likely going to be a very niche product - and they aren’t even focusing on Windows support for the foreseeable future.

              Do I trust Ladybird more than Mozilla? Only very slightly, but the bar is pretty low - and it’s not blind trust.

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    As the top comment on the Hacker News thread notes,

    Cloudflare clearly wants to move us to a future where only approved browsers are allowed to access the web… an independent open source web browser is obviously against that ethos.

    I’m suspicious on that basis alone.

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    Giving how apple adjacent the project is I have never had much faith in it being able to truly become an alternative to firefox.

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        You go to the website and the images promoting the browser are using apple. The project is being developed only for macOS and linux. They decided to change the programming language to swift.

        To many signs that the devs are appleheads and I get the feeling that the main target is apple, linux second and windows completely out of the box (states by devs themselves). Myself personally, not a fan on apple, I don’t have that kind of money to buy hardware and I don’t see any advantages on doing so.

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    When it incorporates something like TreeStyleTab, I’ll look into it, horizontal tab bars are just silly - most have widescreen displays and content is usually in narrow columns.

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      windows browsers are all niche when you introduce anything to the mobile market. An android / iOS ladybird browser would crush it

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      As far as I know, there still aren’t any non-WebKit engines for iOS, even though the possibility is theoretically there as of 17.4… (It may need to be EU-only? I’m not clear on that part.)

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    Good for them. I like to keep the free and open browser that works, free and running… So I donate a little to Firefox and Thunderbird, every so often.

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        Its sponsorship only of an open source browser, with no telemetry, advertising, crypto, etc, etc built in.

        Sponsors get listed as sponsors, thats it.

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            So when they do just fork it?

            I likely won’t touch it anyway, but it is fully open source, so it can be forked easily. With the transition to Swift I suspect there would be plenty of devs who could take things forward if they wanted to.

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              If you look at history, Google did the opposite with Chrome, they forked an open source browser and turned it into the world’s most used.
              I guess we’ll see.

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                Thats google though, with the added ability to put it direct into an extremely common OS (Android). With ladybird, you’ve got an apparent neocon and 3 years currently planned for a GA release (2028). Its future is already pretty uncertain regardless of sponsorship.

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                Iridium, cromite, edge, brave, thorium, vivaldi, pale moon…

                And this is a drastically simpler browser that would be in swift 6.

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                  and what can they do against the manifest v3 migration? they cannot afford to keep maintaining the code for mv2 addons. it is an important topic for efficient content blocking.

                  its funny you bring up edge as an alternative. brave too has opt-out telemetry and other shenanigans.