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    I heard one black box where the pilot’s final words were just a very resigned, almost conversational, “Goddamnit.”

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      I heard one where the pilot exclaimed “we’re doing it!” [or something similar] as he managed to fly the 747 inverted, seconds before hitting the ocean.

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    Is this supposed to make me believe in God? As if people who die in a plane crash know more about the universe than me somehow? Does falling really fast instill some ancient forgotten knowledge in you?

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    This mfer has never heard of selection bias.

    What are the bets they’re in the US, and hearing about crashes mostly in the US?

    Christianity may be the largest religion in the world, but it’s a plurality, not a majority.

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        I dunno, seems pretty rock solid that the majority of people aren’t praying to the Christian god [edit: worldwide, which is my point], seeing as nowhere even close to a majority of people on earth are Christian.

        There are all sorts of religions out there, and many who don’t believe in religion at all.

        I do agree that all humans are prone to bias, that’s why it’s so important to be aware of it in order to mitigate it.

        The OOP making some stupid religious claims, definitely is not aware.

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      Same for the other side. All the countless times where God miraculously saves the plane in the last moment lost to history. No news report, no one will check the black box. It’s just another Tuesday

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          Because there is no magic sky magician letting kids die a gruesome leukemia death, while saving a specific plane because a special favorite person of his happens to be on board the aircraft. There’s just physics and mechanics and pilots and things going right and things going wrong.

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            The comment is obviously sarcasm / a joke

            Making the sarcastic statement that “we don’t hear about god saving planes at the last moment but it does happen”

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          It’s because they missed the point of my comment. That it’s selection bias to claim that everyone is praying to the Christian god, when statistically, that can’t be true, even if they are praying.

          The selection bias had nothing to do with selecting the planes that crashed, but selecting planes that crashed in the US, which is a much more Christian country than many other places.

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        Surely if it was a miracle there’d be some supernatural residue left over. Holy ectoplasm.

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            Yes, but absence of evidence isn’t evidence for anything.

            It’s wild how many need to find them some scientific method.

            I was only pointing out, in my original comment, that I’m sure around the world people pray/say all sorts of things when a plane is crashing, not just the Christian god. But because they’re only focusing on crashes in the US, they are concluding that everyone prays to god (presumably, the Christian one).

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            so you didn’t know which god saved them either. It could be the flying spaghetti monster. (note the existence of this religion is literally based on your statement)

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            Isnt it though? If i say i own a car but never carry car keys, my home has no garage or on-street parking spot, that is evidence that i dont own a car.

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              (dunno if you’re being sarcastic)

              It’s just a twee catchphrase christians came up with to say you can’t prove a negative. It’s not anything new, and it’s not actually contributing anything. It’s a core aspect of “burden of proof”, and this is just a way of shifting said burden to the people asking for evidence of the divine instead of leaving it on the people asserting that the divine exists in the first place.

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    “Are all our prayers answered? Yes, they are. What people who ask that question often don’t realize is that sometimes the answer to our prayer is “no.” Dear God, please make my mother not be crazy. God’s answer: no. Dear God, please let me recover from cancer. God’s answer: no. Dear God, please take away this toothache. God’s answer: alright, but you’re going to be run over by a car.”

    -Christopher Durang

    Sister Mary Ignatius Explains It All For You

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        Well, she clearly states that God never gives no answer. You see, God is omniscient. He knows what you have prayed for and you, by knowing that he is omniscient, know that He knows. Thus, if you don’t get what you have prayed for then you can safely assume, despite God not explicitly stating as such, that His answer is no.

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    Yes, a large percentage of the population is religious, that doesn’t make their religion true

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    According to the most recent studies, it turns out the name of God is

    “AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH”

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      Heretic! There is only one true god and its name is SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

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        Imagine how shocked the world would be if it turns out the Arabic word for God comes from a black box recording that got swung back in time after a plane crash, with the last bit of the recording being stuck…

        that last bit of recording? copilot waking up right before the crash, calling out to the pilot called Allan, but halfway through the word it turns into a scream. All-AAAAAAAH! BOOM.

        And the whole world is just stuck on this otherwise insignificant fact. Never mind that someone just dug up carbon-dated 2000-ish year old contemporary technology, proving time travel is possible, or that people 2000-ish years ago managed to somehow make that tech work enough to influence the third largest language in a very significant manner… No, it’s the fact that the Arabic word for God came from a guy named Allan.

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          I like to think that a small learjet carrying 12 passengers passes through a time portal, and when the captain steps out onto that Tigris plain, he winces at the sun and says “Jesus Christ!” and the people bowed

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            See that wouldn’t really work. The modern “Jesus” is actually quite far from the original old Hebrew/Aramaic name he would’ve used.

            No, it would’ve been Yeshua or Yehoshua (the Bible has some shifting references as to when the longer form of the name might’ve gotten shortened to Yeshua).

            Similarly, “Christ” isn’t something used in Aramaic. It’s not even technically his name, it’s more of a title, from the Greek Χριστός (Christos, translating as "anointed), which in Hebrew would be mashiakh - or in direct English translation… Messiah.

            Furthermore Yeshua was a quite common name at the time, in Nazareth alone you would’ve found a handful, even though the village was maybe a thousand people at the time.

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    I’d hedge my bets too if I knew I had mere minutes to live. I stand to lose nothing and I gain comfort at the end, regardless of whether or not I am rewarded with some kind of afterlife.

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      I’ve been in a situation where I thought I might well die, and this point of view flitted across my mind, as it is bound to do. Followed immediately by the certainty that this would be the most wretched, hypocritical and worthless way to spend my final moments. If I had no survival strategies to consider or ways to contact my loved ones, I’d rather spend the time looking out the window and admiring the view.

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      Unless you pray to the wrong entity and suddenly don’t pass the “good person test” of whatever entity judges you.

      If being a good person isn’t enough and worship is a must, you got a shitty God.

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    Praying is wishing, It has the same effect. Sometimes it works, sometimes it don’t. It gives us comfort, because our brains are wired like that, if we can’t get what we want, maybe some authority can give it to us by asking nicely. Expressing it soothes us. It’s like screaming HELP! when you fell down a well. It’s not aimed at anyone in particular, it’s just a cry for anyone or anything to help you, because you’re desperate.

    Shit, cats do that. Do they also pray to god?

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    That maxim, “There are no atheists in foxholes,” it’s not an argument against atheism — it’s an argument against foxholes.

    - James K. Morrow

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    So this person believes their god wants people to be in fear and panic, begging for their lives, and to die anyway? Thats so fucked up.

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      Christian God is a narcissist and will burn you for eternity for not praising him properly. This is nothing new.

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        God breaks his own rules in the ten commandments. God tells us not to be jealous of our neighbors while describing himself as a jealous god.

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          God so loved his creation that they would condemn to hellfire every child born into slavery who never has a chance to experience or express a single ounce of religious agency, much less participate in the requisite Christian salvation pageantry!

          Her pain is God’s love!

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          While true, christians have been sidestepping that one, and others like it, for longer than our civilization has been a nascent idea. They just say the laws that apply to man don’t apply to god. It’s not even that difficult of a conclusion. See: God causes a crack in the earth to swallow up an entire family because they sinned? A-ok. Can a man kill someone and their family because they sinned? Nope, have to follow the laws about it, written in some book called leshitticus or something, idk.

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            That’s why “Christian morality is objective” and “God is all good” are mutually exclusive statements.

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            God acting as an executioner for crimes he’s supposed to judge seems not as bad as God just straight up being like “yeah folks, I’m jealous and petty! But also perfect! But you better not be jealous and petty!”

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          Tbf, of all the fucked up shit and inconsistency in the bible, this one isn’t really a thing. The tenth commandment uses a different word (covet) and has a different context than in the “jealous god” used earlier.

          The tenth commandment is very structured around “wanting shit that isn’t yours.” Because God (canonically) is the rightful owner of all things, he cannot be covetous

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            The tenth commandment uses a different word (covet) and has a different context than in the “jealous god” used earlier.

            Since the Bible wasn’t originally written in English, could that be simply something lost in translation, tho?

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              The words are different in Hebrew, too. There’s pretty substantial debate on how exactly to translate the jealous god part, but that’s largely to do with how “abusive husband” the translator wants to make him sound.

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          Technically, the 10 commandments tell believers not to be envious. Not to envy your neighbor’s stuff.

          Envy is “I wish I had what someone else has.”

          Jealousy is “I’m worried someone else will take what should be mine.”

          (Though in modern English “jealous” has largely absorbed the meaning for “envious,” I think the distinction is worth making because both concepts are individually useful.)

          Since the first commandment is “you shall have no other gods before me,” God being “a jealous God” fits the 10 commandments well.

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          Not that this refutes your argument or anything but they’re not sidestepping it. It’s an example of “rules for thee not for me”. As far as they’re concerned capital G od is above men and as it’s his right to impose rules that apply only to those beneath him.

          You can see it in their politics, Christians support the top down model and don’t believe those in positions of authority should be held accountable in the same way as the “common” man. UNLESS, they represent an opposing ideological stance.

          If anything, the thing you should use as an example of God’s hypocrisy is that he sicks Satan (who is subservient to God) on humanity… as a flex?

          Politically that’s be like the DNC being subservient to the Republican party and being used to piss off a bunch…wait (This is a joke… kinda)

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            Oh I know, it’s not meant to be the one true argument to destroy anyone’s belief in god. But yeah the entire story of Job is just so fucked up. God literally puts Job through so much suffering just because of a pissing match with the devil.

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              The real lesson of all those old testimate stories is that God doesn’t care about your life, only your soul. Take from that what you will

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      wants people to be in fear and panic, begging for their lives

      Ha, sounds live the average CEO. That, and if whatever someone prays for shows up, it’s because they made it happen. And if it doesn’t show up, it’s because the praying person didn’t put in enough effort.

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        The Abrahamic God in its most popular forms is exactly that. It’s poor, ignorant person’s idea of a powerful ruler.

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      Not necessarily. Perhaps God is killing these people because they had not been adequately fearful in their everyday lives, and had failed to provide sufficient lamentations for God’s satisfaction. He might be willing to let you live if you cower and whimper in anticipation of his wrath.

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      What’s so fucked up about human sacrifice? Gods have been demanding them all the time.