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    I’m not sure if the creatives intended the main characters of Search Party to be liked, but god damnit I hated them all.

    Similar thing with How to get away with murder, I ended up disliking nearly every main character for their actions.

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    Haven’t seen it posted yet, but I wanna get ahead of the inevitable mention…

    Skylar White went above and beyond for Walt, she was a queen put in an impossible situation where she did the best anyone could’ve. People hate on Sky but however she was (just another) woman trapped with a violent and dangerous man trying to stay afloat to protect her kids.

    If you think Sky was the worst part of Breaking Bad, then you didn’t understand the show.

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        Omfg. Yes! Yes it literally is!

        This is exactly what I am talking about. By the time Sky fucked Ted she had already served Walt divorce papers, changed the locks and got a job to support herself as she was leaving her gaslighting, lying and violent husband. And even then she didn’t actually fuck Ted until Walt admitted he was selling Meth. Sky could/should’ve gone to Hank right that moment, but instead she kept Walts secret and did something for herself. Exactly like Walt had been doing for months starting his bloody empire. That is without a doubt going above and beyond what Walt deserved or what would’ve been best for her.

        Honestly even that was only the most technical form of “cheating”, they were divorcing. But even so, if you want to focus on Skylars 1 body count of cheating then remember Walts body count of 3-4 murders. It’s such a double standard to place her in the wrong.

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          To be somewhat fair to Walt, he wasn’t doing it only for himself, the point was to make money for his family so when he’s gone they have a better life.

          Can’t say there’s anything helpful to the family with her situation lol, while understandable to seek that sort of thing given the crazy circumstances he had put her in (if nothing else a sense of control) its not “Exactly like Walt had been doing”

          Edit: To be clear, Walt obviously went overboard and it was no longer just for the family, he was doing it for his own self worth as well.

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      Not sure I agree about Skylar being meant to be liked.

      Despite being an anti-hero, Walter was the protagonist, and the show was presented in such a way that you’re generally rooting for him, even if you don’t really like Walter as a person.

      On the other hand, Skylar is pretty much doing the sane and rational thing of trying to make the best of an impossible situation (as you noted), but she’s still impeding or opposing the protagonist for much of the story. Since the story is being told from Walt’s POV, it’s hard to truly like Skylar as a character to the point where you are rooting for her. And that contradiction is part of what made the show interesting IMO.

      100% agree though, if you actively dislike Skylar or think she was the worst part of the show, you’ve missed the entire point.

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      This one frustrates me so much. Skylar wasn’t perfect, but she gets so much hate. It’s so stupid.

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      I mean in her case, I like to think the actress is so damn good I hated her character… Vs someone I think cannot act.

      But she was written that way, just like Hank (oops Walter…) was written to appeal to us, despite him being a literal fucking monster and Skyler being the best wife she could be in that situation.

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      Please feel free to correct me because it will give me new details to watch for when I eventually binge the show again, but I don’t really like Skyler because she’s boring. Like I get you with people hating her because they think Tyler Durden is the hero of the story, but she feels like a serviceable cardboard wife to fill a niche in the plot.

      Marie has fun details like her entire life being coated in purple for absolutely no reason, or how annoying she is. Lydia has anxiety, cowardice, and a lack of morals to make her interesting. So why did they make Skyler so boring? I have to assume it was on purpose because they can obviously write women.

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        She’s not boring, dude, she’s simply a decent human being in a dark story full of evil, sad and twisted people.

        I hate that people hated her because she was always the ONLY one I related to.

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          Your point falls flat when you see Kim. Different shows but Kim is also like something you described but she’s not boring.

          I agree there’s a unnecessary hate boner for Skylar in bb fanbase but her character is not that interesting. Even Walter is a pussy 99% of the show but for some reason he’s portrayed as some tuff sigma male xD. Unrelated, we are still here talking about these characters after more than a decade. Vince Gilligan is truly talented.

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            The thing I love about Walter is that in his head he’s this hardened criminal genius, but in reality he waffles between being a bland nothingburger of a man and a huge asshole. The sigma Heisenberg character is a completely fictional alter-ego that he consistently fails to embody. It’s unfortunate that there’s such a widespread culture of seeing toxic characters as aspirational badasses because characters like this should be a lesson in being more self-aware about your own moral code and how your behavior affects others.

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          Kim Wexler is a decent human being and she’s not boring.

          But if you related to her then maybe it’s a matter of taste. I don’t tend to like very realistic stories because I think they’re boring. Like I can’t get into the Wire even though everyone else loves it.

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          I mean, she gave a passionless birthday handy while reading a magazine. Pretty boring unless that’s what you’re into.

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      Janeway is a fine character. Like all the crew on Voyager she is inconsistently written, but she is one of the better characters. Neelix fits the OP best.

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      Voyager didn’t always have the best wrighting. It tried to follow the writing style of The Next Generation, which didn’t work alongside the larger story arc of them trying to get home. So the quality of storytelling was all over the place and nothing that happened in a previous episode had any bearing on a subsequent episode unless it was a two-parter.

      The original idea was Voyager was going to get more and more battered and ramshackle as things went on, but they decided that would be too expensive to model so they didn’t do it. The only remnant of this that we have is The Year Of Hell episode.

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    Replacement characters:

    Dr. Pulaski on STTNG. “PMS Bitchface” some called her.

    The replacement Duke brothers.

    Chrissie (Suzanne Somers) replacement on Three’s Company. And the replacement for the Ropers wasn’t that great either.

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        Same. I don’t think she was supposed to be likeable. I feel like she was supposed to be brusque and nailed it. Like Bev was grand and all but I liked Pulaski better as a character.

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      There were two characters on Threes Company to become roommates after Chrissy left. Cindy was a mid season replacement in season 5, and then Terri started at the beginning of season 6. Cindy was a disaster, figuratively and literally. Terri was a more empowered role.

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      I need to make this obvious: ⭐⭐Wes**T**ley⭐⭐🤩🏴‍☠️ is the opposite of what OP is looking for, whereas it is Wesley who needs to shut up.

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        My bad!

        Thanks for the correct. Just finished S02 (again), and he’s in the opening credits. You’d think I paid more attention 😅

        But he really needs to shut up.

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    • Scrappy Doo
    • Poochie (on The Simpsons but he was a parody)
    • Pretty much any child character added halfway through the show’s run

    Edit: The character of Jenny on Unhappily Ever After. She was played by Stephanie Hodge, and she was supposed to be the star of the show. Everyone hated her character, and she eventually got written off, came back as a ghost, and then abruptly left again.

    The series was initially written as a starring vehicle for Hodge, whose character Jennifer was the focus of the first few episodes. However, the series soon turned its focus to Jack Malloy, a schizophrenic, alcoholic, and lazy husband who was kicked out of the house in the pilot episode. … By the show’s third season, Tiffany Malloy had become the breakout character, and Cox became the de facto co-star of the show along with Pierson.

    In the fourth season, producers decided to kill off Jennifer’s character, but returned her as a ghost. After continuing to torment her family as a poltergeist known as “Dead Mom”, the Malloys realize that the show doesn’t work without Jennifer as their common enemy. Jennifer is then brought back to life after a metafictional sequence, commonly used in the show, in which a network executive enters the house and explains to the characters that, due to the jokes no longer being funny, “Dead Mom” is no longer dead. Jennifer then returns and is overjoyed to be restored to life, until she sees the gigantic mess the family left for her to clean up. Jennifer throws a massive temper tantrum and vows to take terrible revenge. Nevertheless, Hodge decided to leave the show anyway, and several episodes after Jennifer’s “resurrection”, she eloped with a lesbian lover and was never seen again.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unhappily_Ever_After

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      Pretty much any child character added halfway through the show’s run

      This statement alone is worth an upvote

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      Scrappy is kind of a mixed bag actually. Long-term people started to hate him. But initially he revitalized the show and kept it on the air. He was really the successful add-on character.

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    A whole host of women on Supernatural who fans were supposed to ship with the main characters but who ended up rather same-y and at best were met with indifference. It got better in later seasons but never really good.

    #Justice4CharlieAndEileen

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          Killed her off-screen, needlessly. Best character in years, could’ve easily become member of the main cast or at least regular recurring (make her a technomage!!), but nooooo, women on SPN just die, y’know, like it’s a law of nature. They KIND OF brought her back later but ugh.

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      i’m gonna be honest, from all i’ve heard about the show, the thought of a heterosexual pairing never once crossed my mind or social media feed

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        The CW violently disagrees ;D

        🪽

        especially when it comes to Dean, Dean is SO heterosexual, straight as an arrow, red-blooded American, no frills no nonsense, likes women exclusively, loves Cas like a brother /s

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        I’ve grown more tolerate of Wesley as I’ve grown older. He’s only ever really “annoying” in season one, but the entire show was rough back them. I wish we had gotten more of Wesley post season 4, during TNG’s peak years.

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        I saw a clip the other day where Wesley refused orders on moral grounds and Picard was like “rawr authoritarian bs >:|”, and it made me rethink my childhood impression of the series. I might like Wesley, and I might hate the Federation. I haven’t gone back to watch it for fuller context though.

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    The new characters in LOST who were part of the plane crash but only introduced in Season 3. Everyone hated them immediately, and just when they get their backstory and have a bit of character, they’re killed off halfway through the season.