In PA you can be gifted a gun and not have to have it registered in your name or anything after you receive it.
That’s almost all places in the US. And because of that, lots of people end up breaking federal laws without realizing it all the time.
Dad wants to buy his 30yo son a rifle for Christmas? Perfectly legal.
Dad wants to buy his 30yo son who lives out of state a rifle that’s legal in the son’s home state for Christmas? Perfectly legal.
Dad wants to buy his 30yo son a pistol for Christmas? Perfectly legal.
Dad wants to buy his 30yo son who lives out of state a pistol that’s legal in the son’s home state for Christmas? Felony.
My friend got himself into a bit of trouble. He inherited our town’s only ‘pawn’ shop. (Technically a consignment shop, because we’re far too bougie) the town also bans stores from buying or selling guns.
Now, his dad had worked out a deal with the police chief- neither particulary liked the idea of leaving guns in the possession of anyone desperate enough to be trying to quickly offload them for cash like that, the obvious concernt being that someone in that situation might resort to using that gun for crime instead.
So, while the store was prohibited from buying or selling guns, the agreement was that he could privately purchase any guns brought into the store, for his personal collection. And while he couldnt sell them out of the store, he was free to sell them put of his home, to anyone he saw fit, just as any other private collector.
Now he wasn’t buying of selling many guns, maybe 20 a year, and mostly antiques (generally people inheriting a home with a grandpa’a hunting rifle or shotgun, and not wanting it around) but they did usually have a small selection around, if people were looking, and hed offload the rest upstate at a yearly gunshot.
The one caveat was that the chief of police asked that he let him know whenever he bought one, theoretically in case the were involved in a crime, but realistically the concern was that crime was someone breaking into a house to steal valuables and that gun being one of them (tbf, he also routinely reported high value items that came across his counter, for instance tools over $350, so as to avoid becoming a fence for stolen goods)
Well, my friend inherited the buisness from his dad, and with that the arrangement and reporting, and all was good. Until, a decade later, the police chief retired, and was replaced. So, months later, my friend buys an old rifle, calls the police station, and tells the chief,
"hey, this is Bob, down at the pawn shop, just wanted to let you know I picked up a 1950s era Winchester 12 gauge. "
Which led to them raiding the shop, finding the gun safe in the basement (where he was storing them to keep them out of the house per his current wife’s wishes)
Fortunately, the judge was still an old town guy, and tossed the case, after asking the chief and DA whether theyd rather the guns end up in a private collection they were informed about or being sold off to some thug of the street.
To me the moral of this story is, you can be a cop who knows a law needs reworking, but instead of using your station and your voice to change it, you should just selectively enforce it in your town, and then let people catch whatever consequences after you retire because really, fuck everyone but you.
Guy probably meant to take care of loose ends like that when he retired but he was breaking the law in so many ways that he couldn’t keep up with them all lmao
Still waiting to see how all the guns are saving that country from fascism. That was the premise they kept arguing all the time.
You’ve got that all wrong, the guns are FOR the fascism, not against it!
Depends on who is holding it.
Turns out, while those supporting fascism embraced gun ownership, those who oppose it apparently decided sometime after 1945 that fascism will succumb to wishes and hope, so that may play a role in the discrepancy you’re witinessing.
It seems the people who get guns as a prop for their power fantasy are also those who are attracted to fascism. But at least there are a lot of gun owners in the US whose personality doesn’t revolve around guns, those who see weapons as a tool.
My fellow worker: YOU need to buy a gun and legally protest with it. The fact that pro-gun Republicans are a lost cause doesn’t imply armed resistance is a lost cause.
Part of the reason that Donnie can send ICE into blue cities is because many of us are unarmed. Imagine what would happen if we took lessons from the Black Panther Party and patrolled our streets with armed neighborhood watches.
Reminder, Ronald fucking Reagan passed the first gun restriction laws because the Black Panthers were exercising their rights.
It looks to me that these ICEholes run in packs of four. 10 armed people responding to their presence would make them think twice.
To avoid cross fire, you can flank in an L-shape
Many current gun owners aren’t affected by what is going on, and the people that are affected haven’t decided to become gun owners so far.
If you’re an american citizen you (yes you!) have gun rights just like you have any other right. You don’t need to be a car person to safely use a car, or a tech wizard to use your phone. You can have essential equipment and skill with firearms and still be a normal person.
I’m paraphrasing but Deviant Ollam once said owning and knowing how to use a gun is the difference between being peaceful and being helpless
I’m a gearhead and a tech wizard. Does this mean I’ll become a gun nut if I own a gun?
It depends on your definition of “gun nut”. If you’re referring to someone who enjoys the historical significance of firearms, are intrigued by the engineering involved, and/or maybe goes to the range a few times a year to target shoot for fun, then I’d say it’s likely.
If you’re referring to someone who fetishizes guns and makes it a core component of their personality, I’d say most likely not, unless you’re the type of person who already does that with other things.
What if you’re impotent and the only real chance in life you have at getting an erection is to play dirty harry in the mirror
Honestly? Maybe. Plenty of opportunity for tinkering and customization, and general collectability.
That said, there’s as much wrong with being “a gun nut” as there is with being “a gearhead,” which is to say “none, unless you run people over for fun.”
As someone who went down that path, no.
You’ll become a gun nerd, likely a collector, but not necessarily a gun nut.Right there’s people you see on the range with tricked out rifles with hand picked components, and then there’s mall ninja bubba open carrying four pistols at the food court
I’mma be honest, while I understand your distinction, those using the phrase “gun nut” without a shred of irony do not. To them, you’re one and the same.
Collector? Don’t you mean “why do you need that many guns, you gun nut?”
Fuck it, I for one embrace the label. Honestly if anything, all conflating the two actually serves to accomplish is to normalize the actual “nuts” as “nerds,” rather than making the nerds out to be nuts.
Don’t you mean “why do you need that many guns, you gun nut?”
I’ve seen this argument used in the context that the average gun owner in the US owns 2-3 guns. For context, that’s not the number of guns in the US per citizen, it’s the number per gun owner.
The person complaining was saying that nobody needs more than 1 gun. This is a good example of non-gun owners getting reactionary because they don’t know what they’re talking about. What if someone owns a rifle, shotgun, and a pistol? That’s 3 guns, all of which serve very different purposes.
Plus a lot of people don’t seem to factor in that sport shooting is a thing. Personally, I regularly take a dynamics class, where you go through a variety of scenarios where you’re moving between positions while shooting. There’s also competition formats that do this too.
Not only that, people don’t seem to understand that competition guns and everday carry guns are usually fairly different too. Much like how I wouldn’t want to drive a Lamborghini to pick up groceries or haul a trailer, I generally wouldn’t want to use a Sig P365 (a concealed carry gun) for a competition.
Oh for sure lmao, don’t even get me started on us cloners! “Yes I have 8 different configurations of the same gun, I have the a1, a2, 727, 733, then my moderns with the a3 flattops in 3 different lengths/calibers!”
Lol I just mean that while to us nerds there may be a distinction between nut and nerd, to anyone outside of the nerddom that distinction is moot. They’re just waiting to ask how many people have to die so we can “enjoy our nerd hobby.” Telling them the distinction isn’t going to help, they aren’t “insulting” you with “nut” out of confusion but out of contempt. And so, I do not take insult in it, I accept it and “actually it’s a good thing.”
We’re having this same discussion in Australia, where the number of guns you can own is now being restricted quite heavily. However, the limits are quite reasonable for people who need it for farm work, sports shooting, hunting etc. I’d hate to be a collector, because that might not be a thing any more.
As a country though we’re making the choice to prioritise lives over convenience, as we often do. And for that I am happy.
Honestly maybe that’s the answer. You can like guns without being all “don’t tread on me armed militia 2nd amendment” someone calls you a “gun nut”, just say you’re a “gun nerd”.
There’s so many optics and rails and lights and slings and suppressors and triggers and grips out there. People that get into it spend a ton of time min maxing their setups for competition, home defense, long range or whatever else suits their fancy
And that’s just the guns themselves. But there is a difference betweem gun nerd and gun nut as others have said
Yeah, I’m aware, I’ve played H3VR and have friends who are, as I just learned, not gun nuts, but gun nerds I guess. While I can understand being into guns due to all the things you mentioned, and I’ve enjoyed shooting them before, I personally can’t get over having killing machines as a hobby, not to mention the data on the relative lack of shooting in countries where you can’t as easily own these things. So, I practice what I preach, and have chosen to not get into the hobby.
That said, even I have my grandpa’s old pump shotgun on a shelf (without any ammo in the house), as I have enjoyed shooting trap on occasion, and it was free, though I haven’t thought to touch it since I inherited it over two years ago.
Well, if it sets your mind at ease:
not to mention the data on the relative lack of shooting in countries where you can’t as easily own these things.
With over 600,000,000 guns and literally trillions of stacked rounds in 45% of the US pop’s hands (approx 156,600,000 people) with no registry to know who/where, with a general unwillingness to relinquish them, that ship has sailed, pandora’s box has been opened, even if they stopped gun sales today they’ll be easy to get for our entire lifetime and more. We literally have more small arms and ammo than most of the worlds military and police forces combined. Might as well join the club.
And more often than not the presence of a gun is enough without having to actually kill anyone, anyway, as it was the only time I had to “use” mine. He pulled a knife, I touched the grip of my licenced ccw firearm, he decided “maybe not this one” and walked away, I went about grocery shopping as intended. Thank “Bob” I didn’t have to shoot him, but also I don’t like stabwounds.
And sometimes, as fucked up as it sounds at first, sometimes people need killing. Self defense and defense of loved ones specifically, preventative of an immediate threat, not preemptive of a non-immediate threat, nor punitive, and always as a last resort, but had the knife weilder decided to press the issue, I’d rather him than me, given the choice. I’m not the one attacking people, I just need to get bread so I can make a meager sandwich for my lunch at work tomorrow without being gutted.
And btw:
That said, even I have my grandpa’s old pump shotgun on a shelf
You’ve already joined the club, you’re one of the 156,600,000. Welcome! As long as you use it safely, responsibly, and legally (incl self defense, “Bob” forbid), it’s nice to have you aboard. But make no mistake whether you have shotshells or not, you have the shotgun and that does make you a gun owner. As the Ramones said (quoted from the 1932 movie Freaks), Gabba gabba we accept you, one of us, one of us!
The argument that “Oh well, guns are too much of a problem, might as well not solve it ever” is a crazy argument. Australia managed to fix the issue. It would take time, and guns that weren’t turned in would continue to pop up, but over time we’d see fewer shootings. Even if it took multiple lifetimes for frequent shootings to stop, it’d be worth doing. I’d turn in my grandpa’s shotgun without even thinking about it.
I’m also not saying that it’d go over well in the US, there might even be a revolt, but even though I like shooting guns, I’d vote for it, as I dislike people dying more than I like shooting. I’d loosely compare the mindset of “don’t take my guns” people to the mindset of anti-maskers, refusing to do this obviously helpful thing to help the greater good because it slightly inconveniences them. Maybe not so coincidentally anti-maskers and gun nuts tend to share political beliefs.
At the very least, we could do a better job of regulating them. For example, as a gearhead, requiring every single gun to be licensed like a car makes sense to me. I wouldn’t even be against a yearly tax on gun ownership of a few bucks, as you see with automobiles. And, of course, if you’re caught with an unlicensed gun it’s straight to jail, much like if you’re driving without a license.
More likely I might just end up moving somewhere else that doesn’t have this issue, if my lifestyle ever can support that.
Australia only took 20% of the guns, yet to take 20% of the US’ guns at the same price they did (in 1996, without even accounting for inflation) literally pulls up in my calc with scientific notation. Their new buyback is only estimated at costing $15 billion despite having significantly less guns than even last time, when they still had less than we do now at their “more.” What’s more nearly half of the guns they got in were “shotguns and pea rifles (.22lr),” only 204 were automatic. You’re, by your own metric, “part of the problem” unless you relinquish Pappy’s shotgun at the next available buyback (or just cut the receiver in half yourself.) Well, what are you waiting for? You’d “turn it in without even thinking about it” yet you’ve had two years to destroy it or relinquish it in one of the buybacks the US already regularly does yet you have it. Get on it then.
People will still die even if you could thanos snap the entire concept of guns out of existence, the only difference being those stronger and faster will more easily be able to exert their will over those smaller, slower, disabled, etc. The soul crushing surveillance state is more effective in curbing crime than stripping people of their right to protect themselves tbh, of course either way you’re losing rights to privacy or protection and neither are frankly ideal, I’d rather possibly be murdered tbh.
I’m gonna push back on “slightly inconvenienced.” Going by my prior example, “being robbed and stabbed in a walmart parking lot” wouldn’t go under “slight” on my inconveniences list. Them not having my brand of potato bread so I have to get white bread is a slight inconvenience, stab wounds are a little more than “slight.”
“Obviously helpful” I disagree with too quite frankly, I’m not going to shoot up a school (unless a school is literally trying to murder me but somehow that seems unlikely), so then who am I “helping” by relinquishing my gun, the guy who wanted to stab and rob me in the walmart parking lot? Well forgive me for saying, but I don’t think I’m inclined to help that guy, I’d rather make it as difficult as possible by defending myself, preferably through intimidation rather than actual use of force (which again is what happened), but still.
Interestingly enough,
For example, as a gearhead, requiring every single gun to be licensed like a car
You DON’T have to have a licence for every car you buy (nor a background check), moreover you DON’T need a license to buy a car at all, and you DON’T even need one to drive on private roads. You DO need a license to drive on public roads and you DO need a license to carry a gun in public however (in most states), so congratulations your goal is already met (in most states).
Taxing guns is in effect “guns only for the privileged.” All it does is disenfranchise further those who likely need personal protection the most. Call me crazy but I can’t get behind “guns only for those who can afford an arbitrary tax” as I believe those in poverty should be able to protect themselves as well.
And “caught with an unlicensed gun” let me ask, do you think this will be enforced evenly, or do you think police will use this as an excuse to continue overpolicing and overcharging disenfranchised minorities (exactly like they currently do with drugs)? Something tells me that this is just going to be another thing to charge the blacks for and every now and again a white guy will get caught up in it. Idk if it’s just “the entire history of policing in this country dating as far back as the 1700s” or what, but I don’t think this is finally the year we turn it all around.
And finally, all that is not to say “let’s not do anything,” but rather “further legislation on top of the 50,000+ current gun laws in this country isn’t ever going to be nearly as effective as addressing the root causes (of which there are multiple) of the violence.” Even if we thanos snapped away the concept of firearms (as if they wouldn’t be reinvented, they were made in ancient goddamn China it isn’t that hard), we’d STILL have to address those root problems. The
guncrime is a symptom not the disease.Good luck moving! Hope you have a marketable skill though, turns out America isn’t the only country that is difficult to legally immigrate to either. You selling that shotgun before you move though? I might be interested for the right price. Help with the moving costs and such, more than the buyback would too, and I’ll give it a good home where it’ll be lovingly cared for instead of desecrated. I’m looking for a browning a5, or a trench gun, or a 2x barrel side by side. Do it all legal like, you drop it off at a nearby FFL (I’ll help you find one if need be) and I’ll give you the address of mine, they’ll background check me and everything.
I’ve seen it happen, yes. You’ll start doing research on which to buy, learn all the features, learn best practices. Etc
When we go, we go hard.
Don’t you mean the people with gun saving the country from fascism? Or do you really except the guns to do it on their own?
Currently there are a few people without guns trying to stand up to fascism without violence. Most if not all are getting arrested/killed. There is also a large portion of the population that refuses to commit to violence. You see it over and over “don’t take the bait,” “don’t give them the excuse,” or “they want you to get violent.”
In order to cross over and have those against the current administration with guns put everything on the line, it either needs to get so bad that those individuals have no other choice OR jury nullification needs to occur in a high profile matter.
Put another way, has enough happened that YOU are personally willing to sacrifice your life to stand up against what is going on? If yes, do something. If no, continue building local community networks and support structures so if/when that occurs you have the capacity to effect change through violence.
Saying that guns (the tool currently used by the facists) somehow will not be effective to combat them makes little sense. It’s not a gun issue. It’s a will issue.
Well said
THE PEOPLE WHO SAID THAT ARE THE FASCISTS
IM SO TIRED OF THIS STUPID FUCKING LINE SHUT THE FUCK UP
you have to have a background check to get a pistol in ky, but you can get a long rifle without one.
Every firearm requires a standard 4473 form and background check when sold at a licensed dealer. Private sale laws do vary by state, idk KY.
That change after 2020? That was the last time I purchased (was at a licensed dealer)
It gets really tiring watching people pretend like background checks don’t exist. There is no brick-and-mortar store where you can walk in, pay and walk out with a gun 5 minutes later no questions asked.
And that’s doubly so for online orders. Those have to get transferred to a local FFL who go through the background check when you pick it up
The cartoon said license, not background check. You absolutely do not need a license exactly as depicted.
Of course not. Where do you apply for your license to exercise your first ammendment rights?
While this is true, it’s my understanding that those background check requirements are easily circumvented at gun shows in many states.
Not so. According to the Federal Firearms Act (FFA), even as a private seller, you’re still responsible for confirming the person you’re selling to is legally eligible to own what you’re selling them. In fact, there’s even a number you can call to have the same background check done they do at gun stores, it just takes a lot longer to go through the process.
If that person is a felon, and if they get caught with that gun and if they trace it back to you, you’ll be investigated for illegally selling guns to felons.
Some states don’t even allow you to privately sell firearms; you’re required to pay an FFL license holder to do the transfer or use the state police as an intermediary to transfer possession.
Any sale between private individuals is entirely off the record.
FFL dealers still have to run the check at gun shows.
You’re thinking of in-person private sales. You can buy a gun from another person directly without a check (in some states). This still carries some risks as you’d have to prove this transaction if the gun turns up in a crime and you get pointed at in one way one or another.
Gun dealers carry a massive risk for skipping the check and anyone who needs to skip a check to buy a gun is going to know they won’t be approved, and they both get the axe if either party gets caught - So its a lose-lose deal that will rarely get taken.
Honestly, what I find frustrating is that even if a private seller wanted to run a background check, they can’t. Only FFL’s can do that. I think the ATF needs to open it up so more people can run them.
America! Fuck yeah!
Freedom is when you have staggering numbers of gun deaths every day.
To be fair, gun violence in the US has been declining year-over-year for over half a decade now.
The number of “mass shootings” continues to rise because the definition of “mass shooting” has been steadily expanded such that it now includes self-defense shootings, gang-on-gang shootings, officer-involved shootings, shootings that happen even though no crime has occurred, and many other events that don’t typically come to mind when one hears the term “mass shooting”.
In the end people are still able to buy guns and they’re using them to shoot at each other. So ban guns. Regular people don’t need to have killing machines, we’re better without them.
Ban people, humans are 100% optional.
What do you think Pumped Up Kicks means?
It means this song https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumped_Up_Kicks
Yes, but does the author of the title of this post know what pumped up kicks are?
- Everyone knows what the shoes are
- It’s not at all a secret what the song is about
- why would they put that title they DIDN’T know?
I dunno man, kids these days think being “Left on read” is using the verb form of “read” ( reed) instead of the adjective form of “read” (red). The comic just makes me think the author thinks “pumped up kicks” are the guns themselves.
‘Murica
