Just a decade after a global backlash was triggered by Snowden reporting on mass domestic surveillance, the state-corporate dragnet is stronger and more invasive than ever.
As if this hadn’t been obvious the very moment they started connecting their massive amount of same model cameras to servers under their own regime (aka " the cloud"). And as if nobody told you so.
If you really need to see who knocking, just put a camera at a high enough point not to scan past the porch
Sometimes stuff like this makes me at least a tiny bit happy to be living in a 3rd world shithole where the country isnt seen as prime-quality consumer habitat.
As a working dad with kids, I like my doorbell cam. My self hosted, non-cloud, local only doorbell cam that is.
My f’ing camera feeds are mine.
Got any tips on a good model to get? I want one that i can access remotely via my phone. I have to relevant tools to make it remotely accessible but the cameras need to be able to speak to my software. I have a raspberry pi that i can use as a server.
But what if some stranger loses their dog? You could have helped, but NOoOOOOooooo you had to be selfish with your privacy you MONSTER.
Well, cross the wrong street once and now you’re in somebody else’s neatly AI analyzed, uploaded to remote corporate servers and then handed to the government camera feeds…
The world is a joke. Everyone is “entitled” to their privacy, but it isn’t massively illegal to just have a camera running somewhere 24/7 or even recording in public with a phone.
The contradictions in the US are crazy.
We’re living in this enormous Panopticon - a massive digital fishbowl - for tracking and harassing and arresting lawful citizens. But you can kidnap an Olympics announcer’s mom, live on camera, and no one can find you. No one can catch you. Even as Ring runs “Find My Dog With AI” commercials during the Super Bowl.
What’s with that crude 2x4 protection assembly? You’re setting up a permanent camera fixture, and THAT’S what you use for protection? What’s it for, a junkyard? You couldn’t paint it, at least?
Planned Obsolescence, baby! You don’t make money running the Panopticon if your clients aren’t constantly paying 10x the asking price to endlessly repair and replace your shitty TEMU knock-off surveillance kits.
First they sell the fear, then they sell the “solution”. Poor on poor crime is down to record lows. What’s up is government crime on poors, that has skyrocketed.
All these cameras do for the people who paid for them is provide a memento of the thing being stolen from the front yard. If you think you’re going to show the video to a cop, and they’re going to say, “Hey! I know that guy!”, and then run off and retrieve your truck that’s too big to fit in your garage, you are sorely mistaken.
Also, if you install these things inside your house, you can bet dollars to donuts that someone is gooning to your antics. I mean, besides your dad.
I know a lot of times replies are viewed as “You’re wrong!” but this, if anything, I think reinforces your comment:
I went looking for statistics and couldn’t find any, but did run across these assertions:
- CCTVs of undefined/all types aupposedly increased crime clearance rates (“solved”) by around 20%. I suspect most of these are higher-quality ones in businesses or on public streets
- Amazon claims 55% reduction in crime in pilot programs with doorbell cameras but a study by some org of that situation found no statistical difference
Certainly people are becoming more aware of those cameras and perhaps covering up to disguise their identity. So at most they might deter someone from going for your house, but as they become even more common, that effect will probably drop off.
Government crime as funded by the rich and greedy, to be more precise. The government isn’t simply working with the rich but was actively bought and paid for and is not executing the job they were paid to do.
What “global backlash”?
If there had been such a thing European citizens and companies would have not have spent the next decade putting their data in America’s hands and now be scrambling to decouple as American goes from Hard Neoliberal At Home Fascist Abroad to Full-on Fascists Everywhere.
For people paying attention back then it was painfully obvious back then that one could not trust one’s data in the hands of American companies or in fact any companies from a 4-eyes (meanwhile expanded to 7-eyes) country and yet the rush for putting personal and corporate data in American cloud systems were insane (not helped by the EU approving the US as a “safe haven” for data, something so outrageous after the the Snowden Revelations that I bet a lot of people involved were either customers of Epstein’s “services” or corrupt as fuck).
In fact, that massive surveillance cooperative operation expanding from 4 countries to 7 is also a pretty good indication that there wasn’t really a “global backlash”, otherwise countries like New Zeeland would be wary of joining it as it would get them cut out of international data networks and agreements.
Only countries like China seem to have taken the whole thing seriously and setup their own local stack of consumer and corporate data sharing and storing, and that seems to have been driven at least partly by wanting to do exactly the same as the 4-eyes countries were doing.
It’s kinda hilarious that propaganda in the US talked about “EU is always watching you” as a part of the propaganda against government regulations. While some places over there are starting to see the rise of fascist parties, I think awareness of the US’s fall into fascism is hurting their cause as people are a little more aware than they might otherwise be.
And while I don’t generally like any government monitoring, if I had to choose, I’d choose EU monitoring over US monitoring any day, considering how our democracy has long been secondary to capitalism (with our own special twist of that old socialist phrase, for us “Taking the resources of the many to concentrate in the hands of the few ultra-wealthy”)
Our oligarchs have corrupted the entire system, and our government allows us just enough to survive while funelling all the resources up to the oligarchs. They have more than they could possibly spend, and they still demand more More MORE M O R E.
Back to cameras: In this case, more data, more control, more intimidation, more fear.
The only place in the EU with surveillance anywhere as bad as the US was Britain and they aren’t in the EU anymore.
And this is just State surveillance.
When it comes to Private Sector surveillance, nowhere in the EU are things anywhere close to as bad in the US since EU countries have far tighter Privacy regulations and even outside the EU-wide regulations most countries have had pretty strict Medical and Banking data regulations for quite a while.
That Propaganda in the US is a mix of straight bullshit about government surveillance in Europe - which in reality is not much of a thing outside dictatorships or Britain - and the insiduious take of, anchored on the Hard-Neoliberal Fable that Public Is Bad, Private Is Good, not even considering private sector surveillance and its impact, when that’s a far worse problem in the US than in Europe.
What “global backlash”?
Just another day of headline gore. Anything to get you to click past the headline.
This is American culture.
It is fascinating to me that the FBI desperately wanting to pretend that they’re relevant and doing actual investigative work in the Guthrie case stupidly confirmed that corporations are not only spying on us all, but feeding the data into federal databases for access without a warrant or any meaningful oversight.
Y’all, it’s wild that so much of what your dumbass, Infowars-obsessed grandparents told you is literally true and provable now.
A few people have said it, but I’m really glad my tech is always a few generations behind and I never bought into voice assistants or smart home technology. And I keep my phone in a faraday bag when not in use. That probably makes it somewhat harder for them to spy on me logistically.
My dad rips his name out of junk mail and shreds it. He doesn’t want his name tied to his address, which is ironic in the first place, given that he’s already getting junk mail. He’s been worried about hiding his identity, address, cars, etc from some unknown surveillance entity based around Red Scare beliefs. Still, a few steps short of foil hat types.
Then he went and got cloud-based cameras. He’s clueless about smartphone privacy already. He resembles his friends in his cohort. They protested “leftist government surveillance” and then showed me that they’d will invite mystery surveillance in with the slightest promise of convenience.
Sounds about right. Boomers are adorable.
What’s also interesting to me about this is imagining how many crimes they know about that they simply allow to take place.
Don’t have to force surveillance on people. They’ll literally pay money for it.
Imagine that 🤣
If anyone wonders why there are so many scams, it’s easy! The average consumer is in general are short sighted, gullible and naive. Of course there will be plenty who will to exploit that.
The conditions of capitalism make desperate people, or those after easy money, ripe for plunder. Ahh capitalism, you glorious old whore.
most of whats being funneled into palintir to look for any threats against the right wing regime, simple as that, or anything that threatens the old guard DNC too.
Don’t forget Amazon and Google also have smart speakers with microphones…
Big Brother doesn’t just watch, he listens too.
I’m not allowed to have a smart speaker of any kind in my home office (work from home requirement), but especially Alexa. All my homies are required to hate Amazon.
Amazon owns Ring, so it makes sense
That’s why I only buy Chinese.
Even if they surveill they have no reason to hurt meThat’s why I only buy Chinese.
dude, buying people is illegal!
;-)
That’s a very short-sighted and unimaginative position.
Lmao. Idgaf. I get 0 money from ring income. Maybe they should stop fing me first.
You could, idk, maybe not buy prepackaged surveillance camera that rely on someone else’s computer to work.
Well ya, obviously. And I do that. But for most people that’s not an option. They just gonna get what they have available from Amazon and works via wifi
If I have to choose between buying into a US run surveillance state or buying into a Chinese run surveillance state, I choose to buy neither.
And you’re absolutely certain they don’t sell the data back to US brokers or even authorities directly?
The thing with privacy is nobody thinks about it until they need it, then it’s too late.
