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    Young Dave Chappelle was the greatest comedian of all time and I’ll die on this hill.

    He still has some sparks of brilliance here and there. But fuck. Yeah. The meme is accurate.

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        Ooh! I can answer this! He made a joke about someone in his life that was trans. It hit the media that he was doing jokes about trans people. So he tried to explain how he wasn’t transphobic by telling a bunch of actual transphobic jokes, which was certainly a choice that was made. That turned a lot of people off, so he followed the laughs.

        The first “new” Chappelle special is wonderful! No more offensive to any one group than any other. His follow up was mostly good, but some cringing at some bad takes. Clips thereafter are pretty… Well, you see what thread we are in. 🙃

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    While I still think Chappell is talented if he actually put more effort,

    Man his comedy has gone downhill. It’s not a skill thing, it’s a: “I care about money and I know I’m gonna make enough anyway” kind of attitude.

    IMO this is why artists should never be payed too much. They should make what a good doctor makes, not enough to “build a brand”

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      I’ve noticed that once comedians “hit it big” and can live off of the royalties that their specials generate, their comedy tends to go way downhill and they start using future performances as almost soapbox-adjacent platforms rather than writing actual jokes that people find funny. They don’t need to write funny material to live off of anymore, they can just ride on their fame and sell out venues wherever they go, so it becomes more of a speaking gig rather than an act.

      Like, I remember sitting down during the pandemic with a few friends to watch one of Chappell’s new specials and it was just him ranting the whole time, there might have been one or two jokes in there, but I think that was just his personality coming forward and not any conscious effort to deliver a setup and a punchline. It was such a letdown, because we were set for a night of comedy and it was just an angry rant with serious undertones.

      Maybe just anecdotal, but that’s how I see it going for a lot of famous comedians - not all of them, of course, but a lot of the household names from the past two decades have gone this route rather than segueing into showbiz like comics from the 90’s era.

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      He was always this way. Born to upper-middle-class parents, growing up in the suburbs, cosplaying aa an urban poor black person to grift white people put of their money. Punching down on Mexicans and Asians, anyone he could to be profitable. Now it’s trans people, but the grift has always been the same.

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        He has a pretty well known interview where he whines about not being able to make fun of gay people and says something about how Comedy Central didn’t mind him making fun of black people and…

        Well, Dave, I don’t know if anyone mentioned this to you but you’re black and not gay.

        If he’s always at some level just never really identified with other black people, or at least the poor ones, that would make a lot of things about that disconnect make sense.

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      When they become too rich they start making bits like “isn’t going to the Bentley dealership the worst?” or “oh I hate it when I can’t book first class and I have to travel on business cramped with all the others”

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        He went to Saudi Arabia to make money and lost many fans. Myself included, those fuck faces killed and dismembered a journalist and deserve no international respect.

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          I mean it’s not even that he went to Saudi Arabia and did this absurd show. It’s how he handled the Fallout. If he had just handled it like a comedian by making a joke he probably would have been fine. He said “I’m sorry but you know I needed the money have you see my wife’s Instagram page?” Or something like that he probably could have emerge somewhat unscathed. Battered but unbroken. But the way he handle it was just so tone deaf and so patronizing and so God damn absurd that a lot of it just had to tune out.

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            That was my gripe, too. Any one of them could have said, “I know it’s an awful regime, but I went to go give a lot of regular Saudis who live in an oppressive state a chance to laugh and have some real fun.” and I would have said, “You know, that’s fair.”, but for some reason not a single one of them did.

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          This is interesting because the US government has clearly been very friendly with the Saudi regime for decades, supports monarchy / authoritarianism there militarily and diplomatically, developed the petrodollar system with them which saves the average American household thousands of dollars a year and allows the US government to run a $40 trillion dollar debt with favorable interest rates. Several advantages America has over other Western nations and the rest of the world come from this partnership.

          In a sense every American makes money off of Saudi Arabia and doesn’t realize it. Perhaps that’s something they didn’t consent to so they shouldn’t be held accountable. But if the petrodollar ended tomorrow, inflation in the US would spike almost immediately through currency devaluation and a bond crisis would likely follow.

          The first morally logical step would be to petition one’s own government to stop supporting the Saudi monarchy militarily and diplomatically.

          Tl;dr: The US is the reason Saudi Arabia has international legitimacy and respect. If anyone wants to change that, start with them.

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            Won’t work. Saudi spectacularly demolished some NY real estate and the US bent over backwards to pretend Afghanistan was to blame.

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              Well that just makes the US government look worse. I’m all for bringing down theocratic monarchies but if one’s democratically elected government is the only thing propping that up, it would make much more sense to direct the rage there, within a system that answers to its people. Either that or it looks like they’re enjoying the financial benefits of the partnership quietly while engaging in moral grandstanding outwardly.

              If one’s morality is on a firm foundation, petition your government to bring an end to the petrodollar. The Saudi monarchy will fall as you wish for it to. Anything less amounts to hipocrisy.

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            I think a lot of people don’t realize how much power they have when they become popular. That their shitty ideals will spread like wildfire if not kept under control. Once money gets involved people do wild shit.

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    Imagine buying tickets to a well-established comedian’s show just to hear them read Facebook comments for an hour.

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      Tbh he had good skits and bits but Chappelle in my opinion wasn’t as funny as perceived.

      His comedy really is that line “but have you ever seen it on weed?”

      Like he’s not this philosopher comic person people think he was.

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    I sat my girlfriend down to watch Robin Williams’ Live on Broadway set because it was stuck in my mind as the greatest comedy show of all time. I love that man and miss him, but we had to turn that set off a third of the way through. It has not aged well

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      Is that the one where he’s got an entire table filled with water bottles and he makes it through like half of them by the end of his set?

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        Yes it is. He uses one bottle to make a show of marking his territory like a dog.

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      Same for my mom and I’s viewing of “Good Morning Vietnam”.

      Yeah, uhm. Great film, if you can get past the 1980’s Shock-Jock Robin Williams yelling to himself, from himself, at himself, back, forth, ad-nauseum.

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        Completely agree. Never been a fan of his stand-up, but incredible comedic actor. And dramatic actor too for that matter

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      Lmao he’s obsessed with chem trails and thinks the moon landing was fake. I listen to a podcast called Guys that checks in on him all the time and it’s hilarious. He also looks like a Frankenstein.