or a do-nothing centrist who’d rather let the fascists win in order to keep the left down, right?
But dont forget to vote blue no matter who, leftists!
A bullshit false equivalence that only serves to amplify alt-right messaging? Yeah, I’d downvote that garbage, too.
🤦♂️ Obviously never been involved in any left wing activism, because oh boy oh boy you’d quickly realise just how authoritarian our liberal democracies are.
That’s lemmygrad (THE tankie instance, with Hexbear), not lemmy.ml (the dev’s instance). Please do not conflate them together. And I say this as a dbzero user.
Cry more, bigot. I see the comments you’ve had removed by mods.
You went into a community which defines itself as Tankies, compared them to Fascists, and now you come here whining about it?
What was the context?
I’ll downvote that too.
It seems to #bothsides an issue via a lot of hyperbole, and risks straw-manning one side just for a favourable comparison.
I don’t colour myself a tankie, but I do live in a more socialist country than America - low bar, such as it is. I sense I’m not in a position to properly understand how your argument can make sense, but the kneejerk comparison I feel needs some explanation before just throwing that smelly fish out there.
It’s not cut-and-dried, but presented as such. It’s not helpful and relevant by itself. Thus, downvote.
I swear, for the people who’ve yet to experience getting caught in .ml crossfire these constant stories verge on some Jason Voorhees Boogieman shit for me ahaha
Does everyone who finds themselves on lemmygrad just show up to start debates? I’ve never just accidentally wandered into an .ml instance and then felt compelled to start throwing hands about Tiananmen Square lol
This stuff has got to be some of my all time favorite Lemmy lore and I look forward to the day I find a reason to be banned from there too.
While I don’t disagree with you, if you didn’t subscribe to the fact that authoritarians have coopted far left movements to consolidate power, it does look like you are doing a false equivalency to make a “both sides” argument. And “both sides” arguments frequently get downvoted.
Totes.
I was banned from socialism on Lemmy.ml the other day.
For providing a detailed post with scientific references demonstrating how the Tibetan language is disappearing (and how the infographic posted was likely propaganda/misinformation).
I had many users respond calling me slurs and none really responding to the body of my post in any way. Then, instead of moderating the bullying, the mod called me a shithead, provided his own references and banned me to prevent me from responding.
The kicker? The references he linked to supported exactly what I was saying! He hadn’t read them.
Also funnily, the mod log states that I infringed “Rule 1”. I checked. Socialism’s rules are still TBD (after 7 years).
yeah the typical reason for getting banned is “Rule 1 & 2”, in other words, having an opinion that a mod doesn’t like.
welcome to the club.
don’t worry, they will follow you around for awhile, because they have nothing better to do than harass well-intentioned people.
my favorite is when they tell you their sources from state operated media are the truth…
There are instance wide rules. It wasn’t clarified, although it should have been, that it was that.
- No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct.
I’ll let QinShiHuangsShlong point out the problem with your comment
In other words, in all likelihood, waves at the Chinese intelligence system running this thread.
Why do you people always feel the need to add some dehumanising shit like this at the end of your replies.
“Oh you don’t hate China you must be a bot, shill, intelligence officer, brainwashed etc etc.”
You suck.
Also only that one bad comment (calling you a shithead) was made, and not by a moderator.The comments calling you slurs you are talking about do not exist.Edit: It seems that my understanding of the word slur may have been slightly incorrect. Leaning much more to the “An extremely offensive and socially unacceptable term targeted at a group of people (such as an ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc.).” definition and not just any insult or slight. In which case I was wrong.
I’m banned from a bunch of random places cuz I made a joke about Jack Ma disappearing for “re-education”. Loud critic of the CCP. Goes missing unexpectedly for a bit. Returns and suddenly sings the praises of the CCP. Definitely not fishy at all and you can’t joke about it.
Westerners fawning over Xi is just fucking embarrassing
And fawning over a billionaire who wanted to make even more money is not?
Since when do we feel sympathy for billionaires like Jack Ma? Why are people angry that the CCP did the right thing? America should had done the same with Elon Musk when he did the Sieg Heil in national TV, because he not only embarrassed the entire country, he put absolutely every single American in danger now, because foreign people like me now want to see the USA be removed from the global map because they pretty much screamed to the world that they are ok with a literal Nazi having that much power and influence over you. They should have kidnapped him and “reeducated” him, but no, instead, Elon is now reeducating millions of young men through Twitter. Turning them into violent toxic bigots. He is guiding them toward their graves; and here you are, still talking shit about China the same way Trump or Lindsey Graham or most MAGA politicians do. What the fuck? At least China is not being ran by a pedophile, and they don’t have anything remotely close to a cult like MAGA. I haven’t had a single negative interaction with the Chinese people I have replied to online; they are as polite as the Japanese, but a lot less xenophobic and elitist. With Japanese people or South Koreans, once they find out I am a Mexican, some of them start treating me like I am inferior, for some reason, they say things only an American hog would. Same with South Koreans, they have some Western influence on them, and it sucks. Most of the negative interactions I have had with Chinese is always over technical/academic stuff, like being bad in a videogame, or getting a line of code wrong, they are more harsh there, but rarely racism or identity attacks.
Jack Ma wasn’t even reeducated, he was just forced into silence because he challenged the CCP by pretty much saying “your banks are clueless, your regulators are old men, and my technology is the future” during that Shanghai Finance Summit, whatever it was. I remember Jack Ma sharing some weird ideas with Elon Musk years ago, I won’t say they are the same, but imagine if Elon Musk did something like that, implying he should become the head of the future. You’d want that? Wouldn’t you wish your government stopped him too? Or what? Do you trust Elon Musk? Do you love him? Do you think he’s sexy every time he speaks like a shy kid who just shat his pants?
It’s so weird that that’s the only thing leftists and republicans agree with with the same passion: Hating China. It used to be Russia too, but it only took a few weeks to change that. Don’t you find that weird?
I wonder how will Americans ever deal with the increasing amount of racists and MAGAs that are breeding in their country without ever resorting to authoritative policies that will make them look worse than China. I want to believe a strong reason China is the way it is is because of the Opioid Crisis caused by the UK and India, and the genocide caused by Japan around 1930. The way people fawn over Japan but hate China makes that propagandized bias more obvious. And I have my own criticisms about China, I wouldn’t want to live there, I still prefer Mexico, but god damn, when compared to the USA, I prefer China. Your marvel movies, TV shows and videogames like Fallout always depicted the Chinese and Russians as absolute evils, as malicious, always spying or planning something big in their heads to destroy you for the sake of it, for fun or money or power, I don’t know, but that shit is still ingrained in you.
Btw, “just move to X country” shall never be a reply, ever. Everyone should know by now that, thanks to capitalism and the Jeffrey Epstein Class, about 80% of the entire world cannot afford to do something like that. It’s always the cheapest and most ridiculous answer I see online, to avoid facing the fact that some governments are objectively better, less evil than others, even if they all suck.
Oh that guy resurfaced? I assumed he was dead.
Lots of conspiracy theories about him. From what I’ve read he just ended up going on the down low and switched to focusing on being a college professor. Source: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/19/tech/jack-ma-teaching-japan-university-of-tokyo-intl-hnk
Well, yeah, that’s like going into a German sub and saying how you detest the way of doing things of both Germans and French.
You’re criticizing their way of doing things and just because you’re criticizing somebody else, doesn’t make it any better (in fact, mentioning them like side by side makes it sound you think they’re equivalent, which will piss of a few more people).
Not that think the point you made in that post you listed here is incorrect, rather I’m criticizing your “surprise” at the reaction to what you did in the context you did it: I mean if you walked into a Nazi bar and called Hitler a cunt it would be both be true that “You’re correct” and “You set yourself up to be assaulted by Nazis”.
“tankie leftist” is a meaningless term and “tankie” is only used as a pejorative against socialists/communists.. It’s ignorant and combative language. I’m completely unsurprised that you are downvoted for that.
You not posting this in context makes you super untrustworthy in my book.
It’s not hard to suss out the context: https://leminal.space/modlog?userId=17385373
Fuck. What an unlikable piece of shit transphobe.
That guy gets banned a lot.
Dictatorship is by nature untrustworthy, so which one do you pick: trustworthiness or dictatorship?
By “trustworthiness” do you mean continuing to try to vote our way into policy which benefits the American people? Because that hasn’t worked in 40+ years.
Yeah I’ll take a “dictatorship” like China if it means we get socialized Healthcare, 25,000 miles of high speed rail, affordable housing and nationalization of corporations who have received billions if not trillions in subsidies. American “democracy” certainly hasn’t delivered on any of that.
Yeah I’ll take a “dictatorship” like China if it means we get socialized Healthcare, 25,000 miles of high speed rail, affordable housing and nationalization of corporations who have received billions if not trillions in subsidies. American “democracy” certainly hasn’t delivered on any of that.
Ask the Uyghurs how that’s working out for them. Anyone who thinks a fascist dictatorship doesn’t eat whoever they want is lying to themselves. If you’re not a party man (and even if you are that isn’t a bulletproof vest) you’re not going to have a life worth living.
I bet nazi germans were cool with living in the reich, too. Just look at all those jewish companies they were given! Who wouldn’t want that. /s
Ask the Uyghurs how that’s working out for them.
You’re going to have to come up with a counter benefit we don’t also have under U.S. “democracy”. Unless you think there is no comparison? I’d be happy to discuss that with you.
Why would i engage with someone who believes china is more free than the US?
Then move to China, because the chances of a dictatorship running your way are next to zero. Dictatorship means no accountability, so once it’s set up, they do as they please no matter what you say.
You actually think there’s no accountability in China? My guy, they hold their politicians to a much higher bar then we do.
Then move to China
If I spoke mandarin fluently and had a solid support network of friends and family i would. 🤷♂️
Dictatorship means no accountability, so once it’s set up, they do as they please no matter what you say.
Show me all this accountability here in the United States. A known pedophile is in office and the previous guy in office spent four years giving a huge number of his voters the finger.
If it was a total dictatorship, he’d be there forever. Accountability is the elections. You have hope.
Accountability is the elections.
Then who are prisons made for?
Tell you what, I’ll wait here until you find a question you actually can’t answer yourself.
You seem to like when the government heavily censors domestic media, the internet, and academic discourse, and actively suppresses political dissent, protests, or criticism of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Movement within China is regulated. The justice system in China has a 99% conviction rate…for whichever side supports the side of the state. Mass surveillance with no legal recourse. You wouldn’t even know if you had it good or not. Unless you are fine not knowing I suppose.
The west also heavily censors domestic media, the internet, academic discourse, and actively suppresses political dissent and protests, etc. The critical difference is that the west does this to protect capitalists against the working classes, while China does this to suppress capitalists and protect the socialist system. The class that controls the state uses it to oppress the others.
Can you openly criticize the Chinese party in control? Can you protest without violent retribution?
You’re responding to my comment where I said.
Show me all this accountability here in the United States.
You didn’t show me where all this accountability is. Was that an oversight on your part or are you acknowledging there isn’t any?
Can you openly criticize the Chinese party in control? Can you protest without violent retribution?
You can do these things in the usa. Accountability.
China won’t let the full intent through. The US does. Accountability.
From the recent Perceptions of Democracy survey:
China is one of the more comprehensively democratic countries on the list, with some of the fewest glaring weaknesses.
cool… cool…
This data is public, and was gathered by western organizations. You don’t have to make stuff up.
(No idea what they’re trying to say tbh. Is that an edited image or… are they calling you out? Seriously unclear)
PODS is an opinion poll. The way you present it implies that it speaks in any way to the actual systems of government of the country in question, when that’s just straight not what it’s about:
[…] At the same time, more respondents said their country was moving in the wrong direction. The report finds that pessimism is especially pronounced in democracies. France, Germany, Lebanon, Puerto Rico and Nigeria were among the countries where responses on national direction were most negative. China recorded the most positive responses, followed by El Salvador, Kuwait, Algeria and Belarus.
What the infographic you’ve posted actually shows is that Chinese citizens are among the most satisfied with their government, which is for sure something, but is decidedly not the same thing as:
China is one of the more comprehensively democratic countries on the list, with some of the fewest glaring weaknesses.
Thanks for the link, my point was that posting random pictures without context/methodology/sources is not very helpful.
So the questionnaire asks people how positive/negative they perceive the categories in their own country, I’m not really sure that methodology works very well for oppressive countries.
Russia… Democratic… LMFAO xDDD
Thanks for sharing!
This was an edited picture, the one I posted has Russia near the bottom.
Xi is a de facto dictator. Sham elections and all
Xi is not directly elected
Xi is not elected*
He definitely is elected, just not directly. The Chinese President is elected by The National People’s Congress. The Presidium, which is the body that presides over the NPC when the full body Is not in session, nominates one or more candidates, and then the whole NPC deliberates and votes
I could just as easily say “president is untrustworthy by nature” or “king”, “prime minister”, “dictator”, “state”, “soldier”, “police”, ”judge” etc. Dictatorship doesn’t automatically equal “authoritarian tankie evil communism everyone starves”
Dictatorship by definition means the person or party that dictates. A judge is not authoritarian for providing someone a fair trial regardless of how harsh or fair they are, but they are still dictating a system or an action. So when you hear “dictatorship of the proletariat”, it literally means you and everyone else controls the law. It doesn’t mean you get to decide everything it means that democracy actually involves every single person that participates instead of being “dictated” by money.
Every country expresses authority in some way, wether it’s USA something like Bay of Pigs, UK with their actions in India and Africa, USSR defeating Nazi armies and liberating concentration camps sometimes WITH the us and British. Technically Warsaw ghetto uprising was “authoritarian” and it was a good thing that they expressed authority on the Nazi regime.
Just trying to provide some clarity, a lot of people in the US truly have no idea how evil our government is and what they do overseas to help maintain your lifestyle, and it barely does a good job of maintaining our lifestyle. If anything socialist policies are always provably better at building society, and even the bare minimum in the US are people like Mamdani or Walz that prove even if you enact quasi-leftist policies like healthcare you’re an evil communist who likes dictatorship. You’re falling for it but you don’t have to, if you believe in people like AOC and other “progressive” dems like Ilhan Omar in theory you should be unlearning these things you’ve been taught by the right wing American media.
Dictatorship means there is no accountability. They do as they please no matter what you say. They have zero reason to be trustworthy.
You are fighting against a tide of trolls or sheep. There is nothing you can do but block these people that try to rationalize away dictators.
You both have no understanding of history and it’s sad, though it’s not irreversible.
Personal freedoms aren’t for everyone.
You think Linus Torvalds is untrustworthy?
You clearly don’t understand dictatorship.
You’re just missing context.
Impress me: create a context where you want your own rights taken away. 3, 2, 1, Go!: ___________________________.
Linus Torvalds is a BDFL. dictator can have many meanings: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/dictator
Not all different meanings have to do with ‘me having my rights taken away’
Dictator means you get dictated without a say. You become a puppet. Move to North Korea.
