• makeshift0546@lemmy.today
    66·
    6 days ago

    Yeah, it’s Windows users going out and proudly exclaiming their love. Definitely never heard a Linux user bitch about another OS.👌👍

    This has to be intentionally dense shit to trigger ACHKTUALLY type engagement right?

      • makeshift0546@lemmy.today
        11·
        6 days ago

        Or they value an os that works out of the box with the vast majority of hardware. Even valve and steamos is on proprietary hardware has a ton of issues. Windows is God awful but I didn’t have to run a script on every boot up to set my HDMI device as a default. Or have to reboot my device every time I turn off my TV because HDMI can’t connect. And none of my controllers, 8bitdo, ps5ds, xbox360, work wirelessly without latency issues 🤷‍♂️.

        The stubbornness of the community to acknowledge this continues to hamper improving the situation.

        I give money and use bazzite+ my steam deck to support foss, but I’m not blind to the numerous issues that need to be fixed before Linux is less ignored.

        • lemongarlic@lemmy.world
          8·
          6 days ago

          Most people are also just not going to bother changing their OS lol. Most steam deck users are using Linux and most PC users are using windows.

          I think it’s like why people don’t change the engine in their car, sure you could could get a better one but most people are happy with their engine and don’t want to mess with it

          • Warl0k3@lemmy.world
            5·
            6 days ago

            Wait you can get new engines? Sorry I’m being sincere & my car’s engine is dying - is this actually a thing you can do or is it just a convenient metaphor for OSs?

            • Duamerthrax@lemmy.worldEnglish
              5·
              6 days ago

              How much do you want to spend? You could find a junkyard pull that may or may not be better then what you have or a rebuilt engine what should run like factory, but wont address things like a rusted frame.

              If you want a different engine, you’re going to have to deal with whatever quirks that come with that and you may not have anyone to ask for help if something happens.

            • BetterDev@programming.dev
              3·
              6 days ago

              I think their point is, yes, of course you can use another engine, because, at its core, an engine spins a drive train. That’s all it does. However, to replace one engine with another, you may need to change every hose, mount, sensor, and customize the computer, because what it shipped with assumes you’re using… What it shipped with.

              • Warl0k3@lemmy.world
                3·
                6 days ago

                no I got the metaphor - I meant specifically, are replacement car engines a commonplace thing? Not being shitty that’d just be really convenient and I know next to nothing about cars.

                • BCsven@lemmy.ca
                  4·
                  6 days ago

                  Yes, either a junk yard used one or you can purchase a crate engine, that is just the main engine block internals and heads, and you swap all your parts to it.

                  Currently doing an engine swap on a friends car.

                • makeshift0546@lemmy.today
                  2·
                  6 days ago

                  Yes. I bought my f150 for 2k not running. Replaced the engine (my labor, 4k worth) and now I have a 15k truck.

                  If you want some side cash flipping old cars can be profitable.

                • Bongles@lemmy.zip
                  2·
                  6 days ago

                  Sure. Basically every part of a car is replaceable, including the engine (and parts of the engine). As the car gets older finding the parts gets harder but that’s about it.

                  Engine swaps are expensive though, especially since you wouldn’t be doing it yourself knowing next to nothing about cars, so a lot of people get a new car at that point.

                  But there’s nothing stopping you.

        • Delphia@lemmy.world
          4·
          6 days ago

          Amen.

          For every last ball ache I have about Win 10 and 11 is “well thats annoying” but they just fucking work.

        • youmaynotknow@lemmy.zip
          4·
          6 days ago

          What the fuck have you been trying that you have to jump through so many hoops? Hanna-Montana Linux? I get that some distros don’t work with some hardware unless you get down and dirty with some tweaking, but in my case, I only had that issue once with an Alienware laptop and Linux mint, because of the NVIDIA card, but that was 11 years ago. Never again since. How does that compare to having to hunt down drivers to make everything work in windows unless you purchase a computer with windows pre-installed for it to work ‘out of the box’. If you reinstall, good luck with that.

          And even if some distros don’t play nice with NVIDIA cards from first install, they will still give you a display to allow you to get it to work correctly, so there’s that.

          Honestly, by all means, stay on windows. I’m happy on the penguin side of things, you’re happy on the… whatever that side of the spectrum happens to be right now.

          • makeshift0546@lemmy.today
            1·
            6 days ago

            Did you read? Bazzite and steamos respectively. Please tell me how I don’t know what I’m doing or imagining these things.

            • youmaynotknow@lemmy.zip
              2·
              5 days ago

              I did read, and part of what I said came from that as well. My steam deck has been on bazzite, SteamOS and ChimeraOS, and I’ve never had an issue there either.

              To be clear, I’m not saying you’re imagining anything. It could very well be faulty hardware, a BIOS level issue, the downloaded ISOs themselves. The possibilities are endless. But the reality is that I have not had that experience in the Linux world at all, but have had a way worse experience with Windows, and I used to build gaming PCs in my country for a living, with Windows, since XP. Windows is a royal pain in the ass unless you buy the equipment with it preinstalled, and even then, the 1 hour + updates and resources hogging are ridiculous.

        • AnimalsDream@slrpnk.netEnglish
          1·
          5 days ago

          Wait, are you saying you have to run scripts to make hdmi default… on Steam Deck? Cause I have the thing in desktop mode, and every time I turn it on while it’s plugged into my tv, it automatically defaults to that tv no problem. What’s going on with your setup?

          Also wireless latency is a problem everywhere, with some controllers being better than others. Gulikit ES Pro works pretty well in my experience, but wired is always going to be faster.

          • makeshift0546@lemmy.today
            1·
            3 days ago

            No latency isn’t an issue for Windows. Stop this nonsense copium/simping.

            I can plug every controller in just fine. Linux just has garbage Bluetooth and wireless drivers. Garbage.

            • AnimalsDream@slrpnk.netEnglish
              1·
              2 days ago

              Dude, wireless latency is well documented. Every controller has at least some latency, and if yours is to a problematic degree, that’s a you issue. As I said before, I don’t have issues with my controllers.

              • makeshift0546@lemmy.today
                1·
                2 days ago

                Yet every single one of them work with windows and the respective console. But yeah I’m holding it wrong and it’s a me issue. 🤣

                You people who turn a blind eye to Linux desktops issues are hilarious. Like, the hoops you jump through to tell people that their controllers that work everywhere but on Linux distros is crazy. It’s like watching trumpers, just with less catastrophic consequences.

      • HieroProtagonist@lemmy.ml
        4·
        6 days ago

        THIS Windows user has used Linux and BSD sytems for ~30 years and still manages a fuckton off Linux servers as his dayjob. The thing is - and it is a somewhat inconvenient truth - that Windows 11 has evolved to a point where it works just really, really well when used on dedicated hardware.

        And Powershell is simply the better scripting environment, this is a hill i will gladly die on.

    • Duamerthrax@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      6 days ago

      You’ve never been to a LAN party when those where bigger. Completely unprompted, windows users will shit on mac and linux users.

      • makeshift0546@lemmy.today
        5·
        6 days ago

        You are barking up the wrong tree. mohaa, dota (the mod) big game hunters, ns, cs (again before the stand alone or steam).

        You’re friends were correct back then. Linux was mostly worthless unless it was your job. Triple so for gaming.

        • Duamerthrax@lemmy.worldEnglish
          6·
          6 days ago

          I was playing UT2k4. Epic was linux friendly back then and I wasn’t interested in the other stuff.

          Also, I didn’t say I was a linux user back then. I just said that mac and linux lived rent free in their heads. It was the same as the console war bs back then.

  • Wataba@sh.itjust.works
    30·
    6 days ago

    I keep my dislike of Linux to myself.

    Its Linux bros who are constantly flooding any and all legit questions about Windows with ‘just use Linux 4head’.

    Go away.

    • lightnsfw@reddthat.com
      6·
      6 days ago

      When I complain about Linux it’s in the hopes that some nerd will come along and provide actual solutions to the problems I’m having with it in an effort to prove me wrong. Unfortunately mostly I just get the “That’s normal you just have to deal with it” kind of answers.

      • Nugscree@lemmy.world
        3·
        5 days ago

        Or just fix it with this easy but entirely unreadable command in the terminal. Oh it did not do what I expected, welp you’re on your own now. I want a complete UI so I can move my non technical family members over to it, but the Linux bro’s think it’s fine to have a half functioning UI and just do the rest in the terminal. And yes I know the terminal fix is faster and usually simpler to run, but I can’t explain that to my non technical family members, nor do I want to cosplay as a sysadmin for them.

      • KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        5·
        5 days ago

        Windows has an issue or flaw: Just switch to Linux bro! It’s so customisable!

        Linux has an issue or flaw (like middle click copy/paste being forced): just live with it, it was a decision made in 1965 because one dude wanted it that way and it’s so baked in we can’t fix it.

        • lightnsfw@reddthat.com
          3·
          5 days ago

          Yeah it’s always shit like that. Or “just do this thing you already said didn’t work, but I didn’t read”

  • Vespair@lemmy.zipEnglish
    33·
    6 days ago

    Nah, as a Windows user on the topic of Linux here in the fediverse I’ll be totally honest: I mostly just feel like I’m looking at and a bit wishing I was smart and savvy and motivated enough to be one of the cool kids, but after my last disastrous attempt at switching (because apparently my video card just isn’t supported I guess? whatever, I’m not looking for tech support here) I’m just happy enough to be at the cool punk party instead of predatory frat party (reddit, twitter, take your pick of corporate shithole) where I’m likely to get roofied.

    • Dvixen@lemmy.world
      16·
      6 days ago

      I put off the switch for ages due to similar reasons, tried once that failed horribly. Later had a motherboard failure and Microsoft showed their whole arse. Reactivated the dual boot, channeled my inner old woman energy, solved the video issue and have been happily tinkering with the smaller issues as they come up. Still playing whack a mole, but now I’m getting things the way I want them, instead of disabling things I’m being told I want by some corporate nutcase.

      And hilariously, I am spending less time maintaining Linux than I did for Windows.

    • Taleya@aussie.zoneEnglish
      8·
      6 days ago

      Mint gets tossed around because it’s pretty forgiving. It just shits me i have to rewrite udev for usb key removal. Its the 21st fucking century, no one “dismounts” usb any more

      Kubuntu is another one that just works. Hubs hasn’t has problems and he’s definitely not hardware wired

      • Anti_Iridium@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        6 days ago

        +1 for Kubuntu just working. I put my grandpa on it and I actually had someone I support for IT install it on their personal computer because they were getting sick and tired of windows.

        There is some fuckery I’m not a fan of, but the user will probably just be oblivious+happy it just works.

      • Vespair@lemmy.zipEnglish
        4·
        6 days ago

        When I muster up the courage again, Mint is probably the distro I’ll try. I’d tried Pop!_OS because I’d read that it’s very superficially Windows-like as an easing in method, but I think the larger install base of Mint (and thus docs, support, etc) makes it the more appealing choice next go round, if ever that day comes.

        • Taleya@aussie.zoneEnglish
          3·
          6 days ago

          I got thrown in the deep end professionally with slackware years ago and i personally think pop is satans taint, so don’t feel bad.

          Been playing with mint on media server builds, works pretty well (apart from aforementioned usb caching), just adjusting to the flatpak sandboxing. Also works well with retroarch and my 8bitdos but i haven’t fired up the n64 emu yet.

          Daily driver is kubuntu, the biggest issue with both is if you have a mixed os system - the ol “won’t network browse or auth as guest on a win machine share” unless you use cifs.

          • Vespair@lemmy.zipEnglish
            3·
            6 days ago

            This feels like a very friendly and supporting comment, so I appreciate it, but I’m not gonna lie, about half of what you said may as well be Korean to me it’s so unfamiliar.

            • Taleya@aussie.zoneEnglish
              4·
              6 days ago

              All G :)

              Flatpaks is a software control architecture. So instead of having files and executables able to talk to each other across the OS all willy nilly they’re kept in little pens. This means the file locations change from what you automatically go to look for

              8bitdos are retro feel wireless controllers, retroarch is an emulation software package for playing old console games on a pc. I haven’t tested how the nintendo 64 emulator (notoriously hardcore) runs on mint yet.

              Daily driver is my default go to pc to use. I run kubuntu on that. If you have windows-based servers or pcs that you’re gonna mix with linux, kubuntu and mint have issues browsing to windows file shares with their default network browsers. You need to use what’s called “cifs” instead, plenty of documentation if you need to poke about.

              • Vespair@lemmy.zipEnglish
                3·
                6 days ago

                8bitdos are retro feel wireless controllers, retroarch is an emulation software package for playing old console games on a pc. I haven’t tested how the nintendo 64 emulator (notoriously hardcore) runs on mint yet.

                This was the part I knew 😜 On my 3rd 8bitdo controller I think and been emulating games forever. The rest was legitimately foreign to me though, thank you

                • Taleya@aussie.zoneEnglish
                  3·
                  6 days ago

                  I fucking love 8bitdos. We have some for the retroarch, and then ones for legitimate systems - the SNES and the Sega Megadrive. I’m just salty I was never able to get my hands on their n64 controllers before they got slapped with copyright.

    • Bluewing@lemmy.world
      4·
      6 days ago

      It’s Ok. You don’t need to like Linux. (Evil villain accent slips out)-- You vill use Linux! Und you vill like it! Even if you don’t like it. Ooops! Sorry! That just slipped out somehow.

      An OS is a tool no more, nothing less. Use what you like and like what you use! And if you decide to try Linux again some day in the future, great! If not, that’s great also!

    • binarytobis@lemmy.world
      6·
      6 days ago

      I was prepared to go through hell when I switched recently, since Windows was making me so mad. Everyone told me my graphics card wouldn’t work, gaming would be hard, etc. Then Mint just worked. 🤷

      I did have to troubleshoot why my speakers were muted on startup, but it was worth it. Oh, and volume up defaults to 5% instead of the standard 2%, that took some fixing. Games just work, though.

    • Croquette@sh.itjust.works
      4·
      6 days ago

      I think that the motivation is the real key point here.

      You could be the best technical person but if you are not motivated, it won’t happen. And that’s fine. When the motivation will be there, Linux nerds will be there to help you.

    • AnimalsDream@slrpnk.netEnglish
      3·
      6 days ago

      Trying to switch was your problem. Linux is not like Windows or Apple. There’s no marketing department trying to manipulate any brand loyalty. It’s just a tool, and one that has been developed organically to fit in your life as much as you want it. Unlike Windows, Linux does not try to take over your whole computer, it can easily coexist with other systems in a variety of ways whether dual-booting, vms, or live distros.

      I like to keep a distro on a usb stick ready wherever I go, in case I ever have to use somebody else’s computer, for instance.

      Once accustomed to using an operating system that’s actually trustworthy, any time spent with the other big two feels like being violated. Windows is best kept minimized and quarantined.

    • pipes@sh.itjust.works
      5·
      6 days ago

      Don’t despair, Vespair,

      I like your vibe btw;

      Being on the penguin side,

      having a sharper mind,

      does not garantee.

      Let me assure thee,

      for plenty of us,

      are plenty dumb.

      • Vespair@lemmy.zipEnglish
        3·
        6 days ago

        PC, ASRock Z370 Taichi mb with NVidia GTX 1080TI card and 32GB RAM.

        Last time I tried install disastrously Lemmy Linux wizards told me that card isnt supported for some reason 🤷

        • BCsven@lemmy.ca
          3·
          6 days ago

          I had a much older nvidia card and just had to install the older drivers.

          It was with OpenSUSE which has a repo maintained by NVidia directly, and they had generation drivers G03 , G04, G05 etc.

          But I did find that while distro hopping that no all linuxes are equal for hardware support. I had a laptop with a bios bug that would kill Debian based installs, but work fine with fedora or opensuse, and also fine with nixOS. Those distros acknowledge the bug and did a work around.

          So if you have interest again, its worth shopping around sometimes.

  • Reygle@lemmy.world
    13·
    6 days ago

    I wish all Linux “poofed” out of existence for exactly 24 hours (and then poofed back effortlessly) so that dummydumbdumbderps could learn just how much their Apple and Windows computers rely on them to ever communicate with any other device on the planet.

    • Yesbutnotquite@lemmy.world
      8·
      6 days ago

      Dummydumbdumbderps? Ah the fediverse is such a welcoming place, I really can’t understand why it’s shedding users constantly

      • zalgotext@sh.itjust.works
        10·
        6 days ago

        If the fediverse is shedding users, it’s because we still haven’t figured out a better way to explain federation other than “it’s like email”, the process of choosing an instance is vague and daunting, the process of moving to a new instance is vague and daunting, and people instance-police incessantly, creating a feeling that you have to choose the correct instance. That, plus the pervasive misogyny that rears its ugly head every once in a while.

        I promise you though, people being “unwelcoming” by using silly terms is not why the fediverse is shedding users.

        • Warl0k3@lemmy.world
          3·
          5 days ago

          Was curious so I pulled graphs from fedecan. It looks like the fediverse isn’t getting many new users per day (possibly because the first rule of Reddit Club is “ban anyone who talks about lemmy”), but active users appears to be mostly steady (with a slight downwards trend).

          Graphs:

        • WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.todayEnglish
          2·
          5 days ago

          That’s a really weird thing for a progressive space.

          If only I was a woman, I’d fuck those motherfuckers straight out of inceldom.

      • Reygle@lemmy.world
        5·
        5 days ago

        If that “word” makes you mad, I have words that would harm like doodyhead and fartknocker too!

    • dev_null@lemmy.ml
      3·
      5 days ago

      “Linux is so bad it even broke the internet for one day. Windows managed to not disappear just fine!”

  • Godric@lemmy.world
    24·
    6 days ago

    The lack of awareness from Linux nerds who think this is perfectly on-brand, I’m dying XD

  • Ricky Rigatoni@piefed.zipEnglish
    36·
    7 days ago

    My favorite thing is going onto the community for a game that explicitly supports linux with a problem just to have a bunch of replies to install windows from random chuds.

    • realitaetsverlust@piefed.zipEnglish
      19·
      7 days ago

      Oh it does happen. I’ve had people tell me linux isn’t a desktop OS multiple times and they listed ludicrous reasons that either are completely irrelevant or not true for like 10 years.

      I’ve also had people tell me that PHP is a shit programming language and the reasons for them hating it were all outdated for like years or even decades. Once had some kid at a university I gave a lecture tell me “PHP doesn’t even have classes wtf how are you coding in that shit?” my man classes were introduced in PHP 5 which was released 22 YEARS ago, you weren’t even BORN when PHP5 was released.

      Some people just want to hate something. Mostly if it’s something that’s “competing” with what they’re using. And that’s especially true in the tech world.

      • hardcoreufo@lemmy.world
        3·
        6 days ago

        I had someone tell me you can’t do work on Linux… If pretty much the entire internet, your router, your TV, your phone, your NAS, your car etc run on Linux then what is real work? They defined it as content creation and specifically adobe apps which can’t argue don’t run on Linux, but also are not what I consider “work.”

        • BCsven@lemmy.ca
          2·
          6 days ago

          Yep, I heard the same. Theres that animation studio that solely uses Linux. And I explained we work on an enterprise Product Lifecycle software that runs on SUSE or REL and it has high end CAD CAM FEA apps for desktop Linux. I worked on it for many years until Wayland and X11 started to swap which was default, then the parent company halted the GUI version of the software…you can still run the CAD CAM FEA as a headless app for solving and automating workflow, but I’m hoping once Wayland is sorted 100% and they see Linux went from 1% to 5% that they’ll drop the GUI back in.

    • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      9·
      7 days ago

      I’ll openly admit that I’ve made comments that could be interpreted as this comic. That said, I don’t hate Linux or look to “dunk on” people, I just see a lot of really uninformed takes about Windows being tossed around and can’t help but try to correct people.

      Like someone said something abysmally wrong and very confidently, I asked them when the last time they used Windows, and they said it had been over a decade. I get that people pull that sort of thing online all the time, but when I see it it bothers me.

      So I end up making the occasional comment defending Windows from blatant misinformation in a Linux thread, or insisting that the Linux experience still isn’t as smooth as it needs to be for non-tinkerers.

      Usually someone will pop up and call me uninformed or something, which is rich given I’ve been casually messing with Linux since before USB thumb drives were ubiquitous, and I have a little more than a decade of career experience in IT support and systems admin/engineering/architecture neck deep in a Microsoft environment.

      I love Linux and open source software. I want it all to succeed. But Windows does have its place, it is valid for certain use cases, and is not anywhere as awful as it’s made out to be. Especially if you have the tech chops to switch to Linux, de-crappify-ing Windows is of comparable difficulty and I have not had any of the supposedly unavoidable Windows issues people regularly cite in around a decade.

      Switching to Linux is a more than valid choice, but I hate to see it happen only because someone isn’t getting good troubleshooting information for a Windows issue.

      I also have a seriously hard time keeping my mouth shut when Linux users claim daily driving a Linux Distro as a smooth process. It is leagues better than it used to be. Mind bogglingly so, and getting smoother every day. But it is still inevitable that you will hit a point of major friction and have to get deep into tinkering, and you will still likely need to make concessions in terms of hardware feature support.

      I’m no stranger to tinkering. No stranger to compiling things myself, or even troubleshooting an error all the way down to a specific line of source code and making a PR to correct it.

      But I’ve reached a point in my life where I don’t want to be spending hours troubleshooting things that in my mind should “just work”. I want more control than Apple offers, and less tinkering than Linux tends to expect.

      So I keep up with the Linux space, use it on VMs personally semi-regularly, and maybe once a year give it a serious try as a daily driver. For now, stripped down/customized Windows installs on my gear is more than good enough.

      • Brkdncr@lemmy.world
        5·
        6 days ago

        Same here. I’m firmly in the camp of “I wish Linux was better and easier to use.”

        I’ll probably get people telling me I’m wrong.

    • Arcden@lemmy.zip
      7·
      7 days ago

      I quite literally just saw a post about liking Windows over Linux on Lemmy today… In fact, one of the comments used a version of this meme in reply.

      • Brkdncr@lemmy.world
        6·
        7 days ago

        I saw one today too, so I guess it does happen. You have to wade through a lot of “windows sucks use Linux” posts to find them though.

        Windows users generally don’t like windows. Linux has a decent amount of rabid fanboys though.

        • 4am@lemmy.zip
          7·
          7 days ago

          Someone made a c/linuxsucks somewhere but they banned a shitload of people and then stopped posting so I dunno

          They did memes like “imagine using a shitty package manger and having to do all that work when you could just click update and be done”

          And I’m not sure if that’s meant to be trolling or tryharding TBH

    • Drewmeister@lemmy.world
      6·
      7 days ago

      I think the majority of Windows users know you can buy an Apple or a Windows, and that’s all they know or care to know. The percentage of Windows users who know enough about Linux to decide they don’t like it has got to be pretty low.

      On the other hand, most Linux users know the other systems well enough to have a strong preference. This meme should be reversed.

  • wpb@lemmy.world
    15·
    6 days ago

    I genuinely have never seen this take. Sometimes someone shares something like “I tried it out and it wasn’t quite for me”, and that’s about as vitriolic as it get. And even that’s rare.

    • dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works
      7·
      6 days ago

      I see you have not been graced by madthumbs and the linuxsucks community. It’s so hilariously stupid I’ve got it blocked so I can’t link, but that should be enough to find it if you like.

      • BCsven@lemmy.ca
        1·
        6 days ago

        Ha, I called out a few mistruths they were spreading, in a constructive way and got blocked too. Almost all comments there are removed, and the user was griping about downvotes. Somebody suggested his ex left him for a Linux dev and so now he hates Linux with a passion out of spite.

  • OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world
    5·
    5 days ago

    The hypocrisy! “Linux bros” are constantly shitting all over Mac and Windows, even more than they shit all over every flavor of *nix that isn’t their preferred flavor.