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I can’t even begin to understand why people prefer D&D 5e when PF2e covers the exact same niche but with more well rounded rules, tighter math, way more character options and at a lower price.
Like, it’s not even a matter of preference. You can literally play the same types of games as D&D, but better.
I don’t understand people
✨ brand awareness ✨
I managed to get a couple of my friends to try out PF2e and one doesn’t really like it so far. I keep trying to get another friend to try it but he keeps saying he doesn’t want to learn another system :(
Thats rough. Pathfinder is my go to for dnd.
Thought it was going somewhere else in the first few sentences. For a long time home-console video games were called Mario’s
U wot m8?
—Do you like TV series?
—You mean like Games of Thrones?
—Yeah, or any other
—I watched the first season some years ago
—And have you watched any other than GoT?
—What do you mean
—IDK, like Breaking Bad
—That’s like a more crime centered GoT right?
—No, it’s a different one, is not fantasy
—Mmm but it’s still about dragons and stuff, right?
—No, it has nothing to do with GoT, it takes place in current USA actually
—Ok, well I guess people try to adapt magic and fantasy armies to anything now
—No, it’s not about fantas…
—I think I’ll stick to the original one
—Ok 😒
This is really how it feels
…Man that hurt to read
Worst part is that if you don’t understand DnD but still want to play other TTRPGs with people then you’re SOOL
Well, you can always GM, too. :)
Whenever I want to play, I reintroduce my friends/family to Savage Worlds hahaha. They enjoy that I can set them up with pregens and just tell them what to roll for cinematic fun stuff pretty quick.
But also very few of them were particularly dedicated to DnD.
Having played several systems I have no idea why anyone chooses d&d other than it seems like the default.
I’m in a d&d group and every time they’re flipping through the books I want to shake them and show them literally anything else. Even just vibe up your own system on the spot.
I like Risus, its GM guide is 4 pages long and it’s played with plain ol’ d6’s
Im pretty sure that’s the reason why. My group started on d&d because it’s the default and so has a lot of resources available starting out for players and gms alike. We don’t do d&d anymore and migrated to other systems after ending the campaign.
That’s cool, but also I feel I was a little judgy in my comment. If anyone just straight up enjoys d&d for what it is there’s nothing wrong with that.
idk i think its a bad analogy. Its more like calling all rts games starcraft or something. They can be thematically different and even play very differently but the underlying structure is the same. And its not unreasonable when talking with someone who isnt knowledgable to start with something similar and if they care to hear more to explain the differences and if they dont then the conversation can end
All rts are Dune.
But yeah. Or how anything hack and slash is now “Souls like”
I thought the defining feature of “Souls-like” games was more about the difficulty of said hacking and slashing, and heavy punishment for mistakes.
But it also has to have tight controls. Failure has to be the player’s fault. That’s the defining characteristic.
Failure has to be the player’s fault.
I was going to say “they have to have low random factors” but I realized that’s the same thing. Dying to a random crit in a souls-like would be infuriating
There’s space sex witches in all RTSs? Maybe I should play one.
ttrpg is too cumbersome I just say P&P (pen and paper)
Also I’d be content with a monolithic game system I just wish it wasn’t D&D or really any D20 system.
palladium for the win!
ooh, or gurps!
GURPS 4th is my favorite system.
Though I feel like we are due a refresh, and preferably an open source system. Seeing as the owners of GURPS are so finicky about their IP.
paranoia? :D
There was a ttrpg activity every Wednesday in my city. In the 2 years I joined, I’ve discovered several different systems and universes. Some I loved and still keep today, some I really didn’t like (Toons comes to mind).
Lol toons… Seemed like a great idea right after Who Framed Rodger Rabbit came out. Tried a few games, not my bag but interesting, fun character design.
Though, thinking of Steve Jackson games, Car Wars was a ton of fun, but I have not tried the remake.
This was Fallout 4 for me— which is basically Skyrim, but set in a post-apocalyptic future. Same game engine, even.
My settlements were built up into cities. I practically rebuilt the wasteland. Over and over and over. I passed 15,000 hours of playtime sometime during Covid.
fallout 4 my beloved ❤️ whos your favorite companion? mine is piper 😍
I got a mod where your wife survives and you can find her early on. It was pretty sweet.
i think there was an idea at bethesda to have the spouse be a companion in the base game, that would have been interesting. ill have to see if that mod is on console and try it out sometime
It was a companion from a mod expansion pack, because 1) he was gay, and because 2) he said, just the sweetest things constantly. In fact, that might’ve been my most favorite thing about the game: the fact that you could have same-sex relationships with pretty much any companion you met in the game. (although this dynamic started with fallout 3 and carried on with fallout new Vegas)
Three cheers for Bethesda 🏳️🌈
Who is that crazy guy? Who was the boss of Nuka World? Yeah, had a “relationship” with him too. had a fun time, imagining that voice actor recording all of those lines (“ I never imagined having these thoughts, but it feels so right!”)… yeah, it was fun, making him my husband, lol. So loving. So tender. He cared. 😘😝
Fallout 4 was really about the exploration and discovery of a new world and a new self as much as it was about anything else
Gage is the one youre thinking of, i didnt even know he could be romanced lol gonna have to try that out soon. i just romanced preston garvey on one of my characters and his reaction was priceless, he was so excited 🤣
Yes, it was definitely Gage I was thinking about. He turned out to be deeper and more interesting than one would’ve thought. too bad he wasn’t very well developed.
Romancing Preston Garvey was kind of boring… just like everything else about him. More shallow and less interesting than one would’ve thought. completely 2-dimensional.
Is this something like a nuclear Kenshi?
Maybe? I know that Kenshi is a game, but that is where my knowledge of it ends.
Fallout:Skylines
Seems like D&D is easiest to get a group started on. I would like a Cyberpunk theme with brutal combat mechanics and an assumption of DM controls on things like the physical weapons scaling (availability restrictions more than price, ie you can set off a 200 d6 pile of c4 if you can get it) Unfortunately, aside from finding a good game, half the people I would play with only want fantasy.
Slides in with an Eclipse Phase recommendation…
Cries in Cyberpunk
I finally bought it this summer when it went on sale, and I already am on my 7th playthrough. I think I’m somewhere around 750 hrs of playtime already.
Edit: oof, that’s a lot for 3 1/2 months
I heard you have to stop when you reach exactly 2077 hours. It’s the law.
Oh you mean Shadowrun without magic and dragons?
More like a fancy Deus Ex.
I never asked for this.
Funny story, they added magic and dragon to shadowrun because cyberpunk released first, and they knew they were cooked without a USP.
My group tried Shadowrun, but we kept falling asleep. Counting dozens of dice for every fart you do was just too relaxing for us.
I’d love a shadowrun style setting with 5e or pf2 style rules. Even if I wouldn’t be able to find anyone to play it
Honestly I think the dice are both the high and low point of Shadowrun. At low to mid level, when everything that happens requires 6-15 d6, it can drag a little bit.
Counterpoint, once you have your build running, sniping a guy in the head from three blocks away for 162d6 damage is very empowering. Or being able to cleave a man square from head to asshole right through his dermal plating with a vibro katana.
But by and large though SR is loved for its setting more than for its mechanics. Cyberpunk is probably just generally a better TTRPG, no matter how much of a sordid love affair I have with SR.
Shadowrun has consistently had a great setting and a terrible system
You just need to know how to use a marker and then you throw two handful fo dice and can see the successes instantly…
You still need to count the successes and failures to see the result…
Just the successes. And up to around one handful is what basically everyone can grasp with just one look.
And the 1s are only relevant if they make up more than half of all roles and there are no successes. Which doesn’t happen with more than a few dice.
Cyberpunk has magic. They just call it things like “ice”, or “virus”, or whatever, and use some technobable to explain why it technically isn’t actually magic.
I picked up Cyberpunk when RED came out. Mostly because my table was into it. Compare to the lore and flavour of Shadowrun, it feels anemic.
I mean hacking is basically like magic and nothing stops you from making a cyber dragon or robo dragon or whatever.
I just want to go back to the time it was considered rude to play at a table more than a month or two without cracking the book and learning the rules on your own time.
I can’t even make a character without consulting three different rule books to optimize for role play.
How do you optimize for role play? And why would it need rules consultation?
I like in-universe explanations and using game mechanics that support my character choices. For example, say I’m building a rogue character that’s an experienced assassin, but why would they still be at level 1, or even 3? Maybe they’ve never actually killed anyone but they’re very good at “disappearing” people with poisons and potions, so they’d take medicine and/or nature as a skill. So maybe now we have an “assassin” that secretly helps people flee town by faking their deaths and I see what can be done with potions, herbs, medicines, magic, etc.
God, it might just be the autism, but before my first ever session I learned so much about the rules I was helping the gm remember them in the session. I can’t imagine going in to it, much less continuing to play, without having a firm grasp of at least the basic rules of encounters and skill checks
you don’t skim the book before your first session!?
I hate the 21st century.
I had a friend’s son come to me asking to learn to program so he could make video games. I started teaching him C#, and he thought it was too hard. He said he just wants to learn to make Roblox mods. It was very disappointing.
I started with https://scratch.mit.edu/ as a kid and moved onto C after that
I used to teach programming to young kids (like 8-12) as a summer job and never had a single kid complain about the difficulty or fail to learn. This was about a decade ago.
I recently tried teaching my cousin (9) using the same curriculum and it was nearly impossible. He didn’t know how to turn his computer on or off and he didn’t know what a file was or what “text” means. I basically had to root his Chromebook to install a competent text editor on it. Then every time the “computer” booted it said something like “press G to revert” in huge text for like a minute straight and I told him never to press it. Took like 2 hours to put the computer in a state where you could code on it, and next session after that it was reset. I was like “what happened to the computer?” and he said “it said to press G so I did”
Kids are fucked bro. I blame Google, Apple, and Microsoft for intentionally designing their software to prevent you from learning how computers work or how to use them. They don’t want you developing any transferrable skills whatsoever. You used to learn all about computers just by using them and it was impossible not to…
OK that “press G” prompt is horrible, though.
We know the younger generations are somewhat cooked, and that, wouldn’t trust a boomer or GenXer with that either. Even for a millennial that’s horrible UX.
It’s designed to trick people. It displays the message for 30 seconds or a full minute (don’t remember) every single time it boots. There is no indication that there is a timer running. If there’s a way to skip it and/or disable it, it isn’t not apparent.
Ok get this: Putting the computer into a state where it will so graciously allow you to install a text editor also requires completely wiping all data on it. Good thing my cousin didn’t know that you could even save data to a computer in the first place! Pressing G to revert it also completely wipes it. Imagine working on something for a week before pushing it to some remote git repo and accidentally hitting that.
They are completely, intentionally fucking up the minds of children to make them dependent for life. We need a new round of Nuremberg trials for big tech.
I hate this problem so much.
This has been a thorn in my side at least as far back as Windows 8, and the LLM craze has only thrown jet fuel on the damn fire
EDIT: I don’t have to deal with kids that much but I’ve noticed that it’s wrapped around to affecting older adults and that’s maybe worse since they’re the same generation as the politicians making decisions for all of us involving technology
I mean, people have different paths of entry into programming, lots of them started by making mods for their favorite game. And Lua is a great lightning-fast language with minimal footprint, excellent for interactive use-cases, that folks keep dismissing for no good reason.
It was more that he just wanted something easy. He didn’t want to work for it. He thought that making Roblox mods would mean he didn’t need to learn to program.
That’s so sad. I feel like (perhaps pre-Microslop) Minecraft modding or Gmod scripting would teach people to code too, but Roblox is just so damn predatory.
It runs off the free labor of children hoping to make money. I feel like few people are going to learn to code and enjoy it with that kinda motive.
I noticed people would build skills so fast when it was about doing fun stuff to share with friends or a community because they thought it would be cool.
There’s a whole game studio here that just makes games and mods for Roblox. It really is kind of the example in the OP.
“But why roll 1 d20 when you could be rolling 20 d6?”
Shadowrun player spotted. :D
