This is exactly why I don’t go to Hooters. I can’t stand being surrounded by men like him. Sir, you’re like 50 and the waitress is barely 20. I miss their wings.
Last time I walked by a hooters i saw signs that said “kids eat 1/2 price!” And “Monday is family night! Specials available”
It’s like they just want anyone in there, you gay? It’s ok forget the boobs, come eat the shit food! Kids? Why not. Bring grandma after church! PLEASE EAT HERE WE ARE A DYING BUSINESS!
You can always walk in like an adult
Industrial society and it’s consequences.
I didn’t know they updated their logo to give the owl a vag wing
divorce, ffs
Well how about Boober eats? Same as Uber, but the hooters come visit you at your messy room.
They did this in Portland during the pandemic. It lasted for about 2 1/2 weeks before they were sued into closing.
Fucking corpo shit bags.Is that real? Sounds like a sexual assault waiting to happen.
Yeah, the manager would have to drive along and it would have to be a pretty big guy…awkward…here’s your chicken buddy! Wanna say hi to Jessica? Yeah it wouldn’t work.
Nothing like getting mediocre food served by a waitress who hates her job and regrets the life choices that led her to it.
The good news is that some of them don’t hate their jobs, and appreciate the money and high tips without having to ride a pole.
Granted, it’s perspective in contrast to diner wait staff (a high-suicide job) and professional stripping (a high-turnover job) so still not great.
“appreciate the money and high tips without having to ride a pole”
Says enough as a coping mechanism
Does this man not know how to type “boobs” into a search engine?
You can watch a video of someone eating an A5 wagyu steak, but I’d rather eat a less expensive steak myself. Pixels vs reality…
No where near the same thing, you can’t touch either pair of boobs.
You can look at pictures of animals on the internet, or you can visit a zoo
One of them is a lot more ethical
This isn’t about ethics.
Do you think they are the same?
Not exactly the same but seeing actual people, talking to them, interacting vs. watching something on a computer screen is also no where near the same thing.
Yes the former is far worse.
Yeah but you can sniff them
His wife has parental controls on the home computer.
LOL
There was a heartwarming essay in the NYT awhile back called “Why Dads Take Their Gay Sons to Hooters” by Peter Rothpletz.
As much as I find the (“all men are terrible”/“not all men”/“haha you said not all men that means you’re bad too”) dynamic popular lately to be exhausting and stupid, men do have a major cultural problem.
That was a really good read. I never realized men taking their queer kids to hooters was a thing, good to know at least the servers had the kids’ backs
That was brilliant. I thoroughly enjoyed that.
It reminded me I f my own faithful trip to hooters with a friend and his father.
I don’t think I know what was going on there, but I did feel like it was super awkward because they were talking about the waitress like she wasn’t there.
I mostly remember the wings we had were not very good.
Wings should not be battered with cornmeal. Though I don’t eat that much meat anymore.
Cornmeal is for seafood and okra. I am fully willing and committed to dying on this hill.
I never had the hooters experience, I had more of a “self-imposed secret conversation therapy” and being bi certainly helped to pass.
Lifelong identity issues and anxiety are worth it to avoid the travesty of cornmeal on chicken imo.
I’d be tempted in fiction to make Hooters a secret line of temples to Athena the way Nike outlets are… well… temples to Nike.
Thanks for linking that. Loved it.
This made me smile :)
Great article.
Have been to Los Angeles for a short time with friends and of course we tried several fast foods. We decided to go to Hooters just for fun, but the food was surprisingly the most decent of those we tried, and also reasonably priced. Of course we could see a lot of creepy around us and it was a little unconfortable seeing some
clearly underage(apparently >18 yo) girls just being there for their boobs.The US really is a weird place…
The minimum age to work there is 18 since the workers often serve alcohol, so it’s highly unlikely you actually saw anyone underage working there.
Ok that makes sense, still didn’t look like so lol
I think we’re just old. Anyone under like 25 looks like they should still be in school to me.
I’m 24 so I don’t think that’s the case lol, they just appear to be dressed like teenagers.
Oh, I’m 45.
Shouldn’t you be in school, laddie?
Reminds me of that southpark episode…
Launching my new food delivery service tomorrow called Tots™ we only deliver tater-tots but every driver is stacked and scantily clad 😎
I think you mean Thots™
One of my friends proposed ‘toys for thots.’ A 501c program helping subsidize the start up costs for begining only fans models via crowd sourced low interest loans, with the interest going into future loans.
Yeah if you do tots instead I feel like all the drivers have to be questionably young. Like nobody 19 or older can deliver.
As long as you don’t serve alcohol and everyone uses their own vehicles… 🐣😬
Icky.
Yessssss! Points!
Can I get those tots poutine-style? That’s the real question.
pouteens
This one right here, officer.
Excellent idea!
Except now Putots is stuck in my head :-)
Poo-tots is simply a bad business name I’m sorry to inform you
Totally… but it’s just the poutine tots.
Sold
Do you have cheesy bacon tots?
For sure! Spicy cheese or regular. Even Canadian bacon…
a little scenery, if you catch my drift
You’re leaving a review for Hooters; there’s really no need for subtlety.
I honestly think that a large part of their appeal is that you can pretend to be subtle
odd, who would have known that just being honest with your partner would be the best for you and them.
Porn is cheap. Don’t be a creep.
I don’t know what to think about this.
While I don’t intend to visit hooter, strip clubs or anything alike and I think people can be creeps even if they are acting completely within the consent of others.
But how is a man who wants to go to hooters a creep but a man who wants to consumes porn not? The exploitation of women in porn is arguably worse because while they consent to the recording (i mean if not… I don’t need to continue my point) oftentimes they sell all their rights and lose all control over the recording. Consequently there is no backing out if they no longer want to be seen like that. (Of course, there are other issues) If you work for hooters, you know wtf is going on before you were hired and if you quit, you are not longer exposed.
So what is creepy about hooters but not about porn?
Is it the simple fact that the man seeks out some kind of sexualized interact with the woman?
So what is creepy about hooters but not about porn?
In general the difference is the in person interaction. While porn does have some direction interaction it is remote and there is far less direct control by the consumer.
So it is less creepy to engage with porn than hooters while porn is arguably far more exploitative and dehumanising than hooters because the creep is interacting with the woman?
I really don’t know if I agree there and again, I think very poorly of hooters and their customers, I am not defending it.
Being exploitative and dehumanizing isn’t the same kind of thing as being creepy, although they can be intertwined.
I guess my question would be creepy in perception or creepy in behavior?
Perception? sure, fine. Behavior? I think sexually dehumanising behavior would be what we would call creepy.
But I think a call to action (what the original comment was) to not be perceived as a creep… idk.
ch00f’s reply to you gives a better explanation than I had typed up, but exactly what I’m describing.
Thanks, I enjoyed explore the topic with you. Ch00f is doing a good job that expressing their thoughts. I am not convinced but I respect their effort and skill.
The power dynamic between the porn actress and customer is different than between restaurant server and patron. The porn is filmed in a controlled environment, and even the live streams can be quit at any time. At a restaurant, the women are operating in a live environment, and their income is dependent on the patrons’ whims. The rules are fuzzy and you don’t know if your patron is going to understand the difference between friendly flirting and sexual attraction.
I got dragged to a strip club for a friend’s birthday. They were especially gross at the time in WA because you couldn’t drink at them. We were already drunk enough though.
Anyway, got a lap dance for $20. The first 30 seconds were the stripper explaining to me what I’m allowed to do. I.e. apparently you can rub your face on her boobs, but hands stay put. I’m sure if I broke that rule, a bouncer would beat the shit out of me. To maintain the “family friendly atmosphere,” restaurants like Hooters operate more on nuance that some patrons (like the person this post is about) may not understand.
Porn is filmed in a controlled environment
Controlled by whom? For whose benefit?
This bit, on which a lot of the argument hinges, seems rather rose-tinted. An alarming number of women report being coerced into doing more than they agreed to, once on set.
Yes there is a difference.
A customer of porn could share that porn long after that actress quit the industry and has publicly expressed regret.
A customer of hooters can’t force the server to continue to be sexualized at hooters.
But let’s focus on your example,
A customer could break rules at hooters, therefore consume porn and don’t go to hooters?
A customer of hooters can’t force the server to continue to be sexualized
Ask a victim of sexual assault how they feel about that statement.
And the point is if your goal of going to hooters is to bend the rules as far as you can, just get your fix some other way.
Edit: also, it’s a little belittling to assume that working in porn is a regrettable career.
I don’t see how you conclude that e.g. the man in the post plans to bend the rules at all.
The rest of your comment is disappointing. You know that I didn’t mean that a customer can’t sexually assault a server or former server. I meant that if the server quits, they are not longer being sexualized as part of their job and unless people are fucking creeps, their former employment should continue to sexualize them.
Also well it is a regrettable career. That doesn’t mean you have to regret it. But it is certainly regrettable like any other career. And women like Mia Khalifa have expressed regret in the past and yet while she was expressing regret, porn videos of her were widely available and consumed. That is what I was talking about. Not that the career is always ending in regret.
But it is certainly regrettable like any other career.
Ok. So we’ve confirmed that it’s a career. I think taking on the concept of whether or not porn should be stored in a permanent medium is outside the scope of this conversation. It’s currently a valid career for men and women, and (assuming it’s all produced above board), there are plenty of systems in place to protect the people involved.
Hooters operates in a grey area. They obviously drive customers to their locations with sex appeal (though I actually like their wings personally), but there’s a fuzzy line around what is and is not okay in that scenario. Their own employee agreement has this to say:
- My job duties require I wear the designated Hooters Girl uniform.
- My job duties require that I interact with and entertain the customers.
- The Hooters concept is based on female sex appeal and the work environment is one in which joking and entertaining conversations are commonplace.
Even the company won’t delineate what “joking” means. If a patron makes a “joke” that makes a server super uncomfortable what are her options? Confront the customer and lose her tip? Quit her job? That’s a lot of financial strain just to feel comfortable at your job. I don’t think Hooters as an establishment should be shut down, but I think bragging about ogling the women should be a little frowned upon.
The language in the post indicates that he’s clearly ashamed of what he’s doing. He’s misleading his wife and speaks in euphemism. So whatever he actually does there, he at least thinks other people will think it’s creepy.
I think leaving a review like this just demonstrates a lack of problem solving skills or some sexual repression which is kind of sad. There are other, better ways to get your rocks off than Hooters if that’s really all you’re there for.
I think it is rather questionable to express that any of the real world practices of the porn industry is “outside the scope” when judging the real world practices of hooters. I think it is shameful that hooters doesn’t have very clear guidelines. I think it is shameful to make “jokes” that could make someone uncomfortable in such a dynamic. And okay, the man is probably lying to his wife and speaks in vague terms. He probably wants to look at the servers, but does he do more? That is your assumption. Understandable one but an assumption. So let’s grant that he makes weird jokes to the servers. Is he really less of a creep when he would watching Mia Khalifa porn? Of course, as Mia probably wouldn’t know that he specifically is watching, he would cause less harm in a sense, but the question is not harm reduction but being a creep.
Any upstanding pervert can come up with a strip club but it takes a special kind of repressed creepiness to come up with Hooters if you ask me.
I would agree with you on that notion, while i think strip clubs are weird as fuck, but then we talk about personality and not behavior.
The original comment is a call to action, it is about behavior and not personality.
This is in no way condoning the practice, only describing why it happens, but a lot of dudes actually derive some kind of pleasure or satisfaction at knowing they’ve made someone else uncomfortable. That motivation generally steers them towards in-person interactions.
I always figured that the game was being a creep because it’s the easiest way to get a woman to interact with your or at least acknowledge your existence. Porn has solutions for that too.
Or maybe they do indeed just want to make women uncomfortable. Harder to do that with porn since porn actors tend to not be great non-porn actors.
If someone works at Hooters they know what they signed up for. And if that’s objectionable, then I’m just keeping them employed, so clearly that’s good!
We don’t have Hooters though
But the porn is fake and the waitresses there all really definitely actually like me if you catch my drift.
