This is the best technical review of omarch in my opinion. For info on the developer and his ideology you gotta go elsewhere tho.
This was pretty good.
"Spoilers" about the Dev's beliefs, sort of
Okay, so spoiler is the wrong term. But I know a little about DHH. I like that the article doesn’t use that term until the end. It does a good job of explaining why the author believes it is a poor “distro” without having the reader’s opinion of the creator affect it should you know know DHH by DHH.
That’s a pretty brutal takedown, made all the better by the fact it’s well written and provides a sound technical analysis.
That was a good read, thank you.
Sounds awful
is omarchy a new distro or new window manager?
I stopped distro hop a while ago, and fixing tiling configs is not worth it anymore for me.
Neither, it’s apparently a set of not very good bash scripts to configure Arch to use Hyprland and a few apps marketed as a “professional” distro.
It uses Hyprland, not a new wm
omarchy looks like shit software made by shit people, i don’t get why it’s keep being talked about lol
I watched the Livakiwi vid. Apparently it has some cool fixes for people, too lazy/stupid to google and fix some minor wayland issues.
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I understand that people are frustrated that the distro is getting more attention than it deserves, but to me, the product itself seems fine (apart from the developer’s politics, but if I never tried or used something made by someone I disagree with, I wouldn’t be using Lemmy). I wanted to try Hyprland, I wanted to see how useful it could be and whether I’d like it. Omarchy had a useful template that had everything important predefined and ready to go. I see a lot of people complaining about the pre-installed bloat, but a lot of it is just web apps and it’s extremely easy to remove any of it. As someone who never used Arch or Hyprland, Omarchy was an extremely useful way to get started and to learn how to use it and customise it without having to spend days figuring out how to even get the basics working.
I appreciate the deep dive, but like, I think I’m just a fundamentally different kind of computer user than this person who has an automatic warning on their website telling me to disable all javascript by default.
I’m not saying they’re wrong, just… more invested in security than I am, among other things probably.You son of a bitch I’m in.
Go with whatever you want to go, my friend! People are mad because of the politics rather than the software itself (not going to lie, THERE ARE questionable software choices, but it doesn’t change the fact that most people didn’t even check it)
Dude, the technical issues with this “distro” somehow outweigh even the creators garbage politics and that is actually the only impressive thing about Omarchy.
It’s just my opinion, but omarchy looks like that kid who says they’re VERY hardcore.
It’s not just your opinion, look at the screensavers. Basically very animated 00’s 8-bit demoscene screens that say “OMARCHY” (cannot be changed withour recompilation) over and over.
idk how to hyprland, i just want hyprcursor.
It’s weird how hard that piece of shit is being pushed. Anyone found a backdoor?
From what I gather, the only thing they’ve got going for them is that they’re actually contacting key people to try out the distro, as well as timing that campaign to coincide with the EOL of Win10.
But yeah, so annoying to see when there’s so many better alternatives by better people out there.
As for the latter, I haven’t confirmed this myself, but I’ve been hearing that there’s a lot of curling into bash going on, so yeah.
It’s like Bluesky when Mastodon was sitting right there
Why are the “better people” not advertising as much now? Don’t people understand that advertising is the key to popularity?
Not sure why exactly, but if I had to guess it’s probably a lack of marketing people in the FOSS world in general.
Recently I’ve only really seen recently the End of 10 campaign from the KDE folks gaining a bit of traction, but even that’s more vaguely pointing in the direction of Linux than anything.
curling into bash
I don’t think that’s how that works.
I think they mean using curl to grab something and piping the output to bash so it it executed locally.
And it is pretty common. Things like ohmyzsh use it. I find it scary because you’re running things direct from the web without any package signature architecture. I would trust the omz people but what if their GitHub was compromised? But don’t check any of the source? No. I don’t anyway, but with a bit of fear :/
Even if you check, you should download with curl and check the downloaded file, then run that, as a malicious server could present a normal download to browsers based on user agent and other fingerprinting data, while presenting a malicious script to curl
Wish people would stop suggesting the pipe to bash scripts as an install method but the simplicity of being able to tell all Linux and Mac users to just paste a string into their terminal to install and letting the script deal with any differences between systems is probably why we keep seeing it for major projects, rather than a long list of instructions for different distros
curl <x> | bash
No signature check on the omarchy rarch repo. Even chaotic aur signs their packages.
So malicious Bash, Bind, Kernel, etc…
well with the horribly written bash and curl it includes, wouldn’t surprise me at this point.
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What are the logos?
The logo on the right is for Omarchy, an Arch derivative.
I use poop emoji, btw
So, a link to the author’s page, merch, and barely any text explaining what it is on he front page. That’s a hell fucking no what the fuck for me.
“SuperGrok” so this is some fascist Arch based distro?
Yes.
Well look up DHH, main person behind it, and decide for yourself.
just wanted you to know I actually chuckled at that!
Why tho
Because Omarchy is put together by a pile of shit (DHH) and it’s a derivative of Arch.
So, cooking Arch with a pile of shit you get Omarchy.
Why is DHH a pile of shit? I see this echoed a lot and I’m not familiar with his history beyond his hey and basecamp infrastructure stories after his spat with Apple.
As far as I can tell his takes are fine in that regard. I’m assuming his motivations for his troubles with apple aren’t altruistic in nature, at least not purely, but I don’t expect any businessman to be in any regard.
I’m genuinely curious, I’d love to learn more.
Ah, a run of the mill fascist pile o’ shit! Well, if he has fear of being replaced, i hear Trump is offering asylum for racist pricks like him; we’ll replace him with a *gasp* brown or black refugee and everyone is happy!
GAAAAAHHHH!!! WHY CAN’T WE HAVE NICE THINGS‽‽‽
Don’t look up the people behind Ladybird, Hyperland (though I’ve heard they’re trying to be better?) and Brave 😬
I ALREADY KNOW ABOUT THOSE BASTARDS GODDAMNIT!!!
WHY DO YOU THINK I’M TYPING IN CAPITALS WITH THREE EXCLAMATION MARKS OR INTERROBANGS AFTER EACH SENTENCE‽‽‽
Thank you! I will read up.
E: Also I like you name! Don’t dream of electric sheep :)
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No, also why would we excuse it if it were?
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That in no way mean we ought to reward people who actively foster it
Well, here you can find some useful info: The Ruby community has a DHH problem
Hope this helps
Thank you! I’ll get myself caught up a little :)
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Why the hate? I’m out of the loop on omarchy.
Dhh has bad politics. Not sure about the software though.
And that’s all anyone seems to care about. You don’t hear this shit for all the other assholes in FOSS. Only DHH. It’s embarrassing.
Other FOSS people don’t tend to get loads of money from Cloudflare or all this attention for what’s not even that interesting a project.
The Ladybird project is also run by someone who’s said some bad things but it hasn’t exploded in popularity or received 6 figures in corporate donations. Something feels off about this Omarchy hype… like, the product isn’t even that amazing, so the only thing I imagine could explain this difference is that it’s DHH doing it.
I will see people do this for other FLOSS developers, and I think it’s bad in those cases too. I don’t want to name them because I feel like that’s not worth the effort and frankly we shouldn’t give any attention to complaints about a dev’s personal opinions or character.
By contrast, I respect the critiques of his actual software, which mostly seem to be fair. I do wonder how much people would even be looking into it if they didn’t have strong opinions about his opinions, but as long as it’s accurate that’s what matters.
a competitive racist racer
jokes aside, here’s a long review about the software quality, it’s really long, there’s a summary at the bottom https://マリウス.com/a-word-on-omarchy/#summary
just in case the katakana link didn’t work, here’s the archived link https://archive.is/Ks8o5
Why the hell does he recommend manjaro still
I guess you know shit’s rough when Manjaro is the sane option
For real. There’s EndeavourOS which at least uses the Archlinux repos and seems to be just better AFAIK.
It’s honestly less bad than the insane bash monster that is Omarchy
Wow, that’s a very thorough review, nice!
I do hope that these companies start to dig one inch deeper at least before providing grants and stuff, it really is a slap in the face of proper distributions (though I feel like the author’s recommendation of Manjaro is misguided 👀), of course at the end of the day they can give money to whoever the hell they want, but if they want to make good publicity, they’d better make sure they get it rightagree on Manjaro. It’s also easy to break in my 6 months experience in 2021. I’m now on Fedora since. Though I think EndeavourOS is a nicer choice for simplified Arch. Or maybe Archlinux itself has gotten easier with archinstall. But I myself have not tinker with distrohopping since I’m on Fedora.
Same here, Fedora, in particular, once atomic, I’m never looking back on my machines.
Before that I once used Endeavour and can vouch for its reliability
Nice enjoyable little read. Now I kinda know what omarchy is. TL;DR it’s not a distro. It’s a pile of user scripts on Arch, doing things, who knows what.
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Bad choices for included software too. I see preinstalled proprietary bloat as a dick move but I could get behind Steam, which is not preinstalled, unlike Discord, Zoom, WhatsApp and Google Drive! Not to mention the AI BS.
Just bad politics, or straight-up Nazi?
@Durandal@lemmy.today’s comment shares 2 succinct links why.
