It’s ruining every product and service actually!
I feel like I’m in good company, I moved my stuff to my own forgejo instance about two month ago because finally I had some time to set one up. I wanted to do it for years because it was embarrysing to host open source code on a closed source platform ran by Microsoft. But my main kick in the but to really just do it was their CEO told his workers to embrace AI or get out: https://www.businessinsider.com/github-ceo-developers-embrace-ai-or-get-out-2025-8 I knew this is not the place to be anymore.
Let me guess… Thanks to this “bug” Microsoft / GitHub are charging their paying costumers for something that otherwise would be just idle time. 🤔
they’re always trying to screw you. feel free to call me delusional but i think like mark zuckerberg. i’m not as good with code as he is, but i’m autistic and i’m very low on the empathy scale.
mark zuckerberg is one of the world’s highest functioning autistic psychopaths.they all are. they all hate humans. they all want to accelerate the end of the world because they think everything is a simulation and when everyone dies they respawn in a better simulation
they talk about this shit all the time on the dark web
if he’s actually autistic, he’s fucked up really. hard. anyway jus wanted to note that he’s certainly no good coder.
if you wanna see this shit for yourself you gotta use tor and check out BHC
it’s the darkweb so be
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you need a tricked out PC to deal with all the custom CSAM injections
Nope nope nope nope nope. Why would I trust a browser written by criminals for criminals or by the FBI/CIA for criminals with my browsing? Nope nope nope.
it’s not about the money. it’s about the power. they want the power to kill every single one of us so they can respawn in valhalla. shoot robert evans a message on bluesky if you want to know more. i went to high school with robert in plano texas so we’ve known each other for like…20 years, about. he knows how to get into all this shit
Xbox. Lol. Microsoft has the Mierda touch.
I think of it as the Shidas Touch
Shitass touch
…The same Zig that ditched LLVM, to make their own compiler from scratch?
This is good. But also, this is sort of in character for Zig.
IIRC, the difference here is that Zig’s plan had always been to make their own compiler, but had to use LLVM to get started and, more cynically, to try and get some LLVM contributors interested in the project so they could essentially poach them.
I am pretty sure I have seen a video interview of Andrew Kelley transparently saying that ages ago but I’ll try and find it to link it here.
I’ve never even heard of Zig before today and it’s right out of the gate with drama, cat fights, and public spats. Got to love the programming world.
I think that comes from Andrew Kelley having strong opinions, sometimes with harsh language added. It’s like the internet is over-correcting for the much stronger and harsher early internet days, so he’s admonished for being “unprofessional”. I don’t care for this sanded-down squeaky-clean vision of the internet that is being pushed for, particularly by the corporate crowd.
The Zig core team is pretty chill and pretty united around strong engineering ethos. And tbf their own compiler is pretty performant and produces similar level quality code. The argument that compiler dev is hard falls fairly flat when they are succeeding in developing their own compiler.
Tbh zig is as chill as an iceberg compared to rust! I really appreciate the mindset of “c with rough edges removed” that zig promotes. Already using it in our companies stm32 projects
Oh I did not mean to appear combative or being a contrarian. I don’t even care about Zig or LLVM to be honest. I just thought that that clarification was sort of necessary seeing as the GitHub thing is a reaction to MS bullshit, whereas the LLVM thing at least seemed to me like it wasn’t (initially) from some drama or a secret or anything.
Still, this is assuming I’m not just hallucinating what I am claiming.
That’s interesting.
I dunno if that’s any better. Compiler development is hard, and expensive.
I dunno what issue they have with LLVM, but it would have to be massive to justify building around it and then switching away to re-invent it.
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I wish Microsoft keeps up with its AI obsession and push as much as possible. At some point they’ll realize the reputation damage, but the longer it will take the better. Just stop the negative publicity
IDK, the amount of abuse people have withstood only to keep using MS platforms is astounding. Some people would rather use trash than learn a new platform.
Yeah but what does the corporate world do when Microsoft implodes and releases “Windows 12 agentic AI” the operating system, co developed between AI and athletic employees?
Alright fine, I can tolerate the little ✨AI ✨ sparkles in my M365 webpages a while longer if it means more kaboom at the end.
The publicity will have little impact; only the AI bubble popping will make them change course. But the damage is already done - they’ve pivoted their company to AI, forced it into all there products and force their employees to use it. Once the bubble pops that’s going to take time to undo and fix.
AI of course will still be a thing, but at the moment they’re wasting billions on it as everyone wants to be to AI as Google is to search.
Go go gadget-o Codeberg !
…take off every zig
What you say??!!
Somebody set us up the bomb!
Make your time.
We know what you doing
Microsoft has gone all-in on AI to the detriment of basically every other aspect of their business. They are in deep deep shit when the bubble finally pops.
And I am so ready for the bubble to burst.
15% of the total United States GDP is a single company. I struggle to comprehend the scale of that, but one thing is for certain; it’s going to bite us in the ass eventually.
15% of the total United States GDP is a single company
no, it is not. you struggle to comprehend it because it is not true.
it is comparing different things. one is a valuation, the other is the value of goods and services over a year. the comparision would be with yearly revenue of a company
The stat that’s going around at the moment is that 30% if the GDP is transactions between the “Magnificent 7”. That one is fair because it’s economic activity.
The underlying economy is in recession with the AI frosting on top pushing it to break even levels.
That one is even more ridiculously untrue.
Those stocks make up 30% of S&P 500, by weight.
Not GDP.
Thanks for the clarification.
Stock valuation of a company is not calculated int the GDP. Only domestic revenue is. There is no company that makes trillions in revenue.
True, but Nvidia’s market cap is still equal to 15 percent of 30.486 trillion. What’s worse is that it’s ALL built on speculation.
This house of cards WILL fall.
Nvidia is less speculation that the other companies mixed up in this. They at least sell physical goods which they’ve been shipping.
Microsoft, Google, X, Meta - Oh boy!
They haven’t. Part of the reason the bubble is so bad is that NVIDIA has been giving credit incentives to openai and other llm companies. Essentially giving them money so they use it to buy NVIDIA chips, so they can claim higher sales numbers. But there’s no revenue. The AI bubble is 4 or 5 companies shuffling money to each other to inflate numbers so investors inject more money.
The only ones making bank are CEOs when they take their bonuses and cash outs. The companies themselves are bleeding. OpenAI needs something like $700 billion dollars more to survive until 2030. LLMs simply don’t make any money. Any savings from ai use has been from layoffs. It will all eventually crash out when it is obvious that AI use ultimately hurts revenue, no matter how much it saves in production.
15% of American GDP is approximately $4.57 trillion.
Absurd, isn’t it?
It’s not one company, but the top 5 companies make up 40% of South Korea’s economy, with the top 30 76.9% of their GDP. It’s scary to imagine the power they wield over the peoples lives.
Power over their lives? Nonsense, the people of S
amsungouth Korea are completely free to use iPhones instead of Samsung phones if they want! They can also leave their Samsung apartments to work at the Samsung office, built by the Samsung construction company using Samsung heavy machinery, any time they want! If they were to get injured on the way, they’ll get treated at Samsung Medical Center and not to worry, of course their Samsung insurance will cover it.
dont worry govt bailouts with public money will come in. Socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor.
It’s not socialism, it’s welfare.
only if you consider companies as people.
I’m not agreeing with it but if it were socialism we would at least have public ownership of the bailed out company. Any bailout would just be corporate welfare with little return
The bailout should transfer ownership to the public. Employees and (sane) products/services can stay, the idiots who tanked the company can shuffle off.
That’s the same with socialism, though.
Socialism would do what’s best for society.
Socialism would do what the majority of people wanted it to do, it’s not a benevolent entity the marches through society and fixes everything. It’s merely a tool for society to use to more directly appease the masses needs.
Welfare? For billion dollar companies? That’s rich.
There’s a ton of precedent. Welfare for the rich is justified all the time while those who truly need it are less and less
Completely gave up on the console wars thing too for AI. Such ridiculous leadership by Sadya
Microsoft’s business model has always been getting businesses who are even stupider than them to give them tons of money. Nothing is ever going to change that calculus.
Azure might keep them afloat but everything else will likely crumble and they’ll have to downsize to mostly just being a cloud provider.
Gods I wish for this.
Don’t worry, they have like 250 ERPs too. And they’re way more expensive than, say, Odoo, though I guess not as expensive as SAP.
Sorta like AWS and Amazon (but that Microsoft may crumble?)
Fingers crossed 🤞
like any other tech giant
Move ZIG for great justice!
Make your time
Greetings, fellow internet pioneer! Don’t forget to take us up the bomb!
*set up us
Heh. Oops.
If you’re into emulation, it’s a legitimately good sidescrolling shmup, and if I remember right, the music was great as well.
It’s just that absymal translation that launched it into meme status.
Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/286/
Damn, “.swf”
SWF vector animations are incredibly resilient, actually. I can still pull my saved SWF memes, and run them through Ruffle at modern resolution, or Swivel to get 60 fps 4K lossless MP4 versions, or bigger. Kind of cool.
And you can still uncompile them. I even discovered some credits and commentaries written in a hidden area of “Zero Wing Rhapsody” (speaking of Aybabtu) put here by the creator. Felt like geeky archeology.
All your codebase belong to us!
For great justice
What you say!
Take off every Zig!
I can hear the song so clearly by just watching this picture.
GitHub, more like QuitHub, amirite?
More like, GetOuttaThereHub, huh? huH?
More like: GitouttaHere
More like GitLos
The original blog post is rather frank and to the point. Wish the engineering leadership I worked with communicated this well.
In the end, we opted for a simple strategy, sidestepping GitHub’s aggressive vendor lock-in: leave the existing issues open and unmigrated, but start counting issues at 30000 on Codeberg so that all issue numbers remain unambiguous. Let us please consider the GitHub issues that remain open as metaphorically “copy-on-write”.
Do you know anything about the referenced vendor lock-in?
Basically all the stuff that is build by GitHub and not part of git. Like the pull request discussion boards that is not stored in the git repository. They can’t transfer that out of GitHub to another git host.
Aha, shrewd…
Thank you
Im pretty sure that is possible on forgejo if given a specific github token. Or is it a scale problem?
It’s just that all your shit and users are there, like issue tracking in this case.
The fucking lunacy of the AI bros he lists as examples…
Codeberg doesn’t need billions of users… Just the right ones.
I don’t think github has billions of users.
Love Codeberg. Just wish there would also be HackerHill, BytePeak and SoftwareSummit with federation!
I love that Codeberg exists, but there’s one thing I kinda dislike.
I’d like to use the same forge for my private projects (hey, a couple of them may make money one day! I gotta eat too) as I do for open source stuff, but Codeberg is explicitly open source only.
It’s a minor thing, really. Which I could get past by using another Forgejo instance, like Codefloe. But these smaller instances, how long will they be around?
I suppose just running my own git server, with or without a forge attached to it, for private projects, is the only real solution. But then I have even more things to self-host lol
I see this as a feature not bug, and tbh kinda resent those who hoard information and try to extract wealth from it. Extremely rude to the giants whose shoulders your work is built on. I’m the person who’s going to crack and redistribute your shit as soon as you publish it, nice to meet you :)
I’m the person who’s going to crack and redistribute your shit as soon as you publish it, nice to meet you :)
Out of curiosity, how do you crack and redistribute backend code as soon as a service is published?
Client-side code is usually Javascript for everything made in the last 10 years anyway, it doesn’t need a lot of cracking lol, it’s usually just minimized.
Anyway, say I’m building something that has taken me years of working in a specific industry to even be able to understand the requirements, that’s only useful for companies (NOT private individuals, though some companies may only have 1-2 employees, but many will have thousands). There’s literally no way it would benefit a private individual because for the 10% of it that overlaps with things private individuals also do, there’s already great open source solutions. What exactly is the problem with charging money for it, given that it’s ONLY going to be used by for-profit companies who are themselves charging money for their services?
Not really a project that would benefit normal people. You and I would have no use for it.
That was somewhat facetious and self-aggrandizing, “cracking” something isn’t always possible or necessary. If your service was unique/useful enough, I would contribute to reverse engineering enough of that backend to replicate its functionality. More likely I’d just refuse to use it and support open alternatives
Unsolicited advice though, giving stuff away generates a huge amount of goodwill that can be way more useful and rewarding than revenue. Contributors instead of employees, love instead of money, place and purpose instead of points in your bank account. I’m not wealthy by any means, but I’m comfortable enough and haven’t had to buy a laptop since high school
You:
That was somewhat facetious and self-aggrandizing
Also you:
I’m the person who’s going to crack and redistribute your shit as soon as you publish it, nice to meet you :)
My brother in christ that’s the exact line I was referring to, what else in the wide world of reading comprehension do you think I was talking about?
Sounded to me like you were firing off at someone for having a private personal project by claiming that you would personally intervene to prevent them making any money from their code, then later you told them that they were being self aggrandizing. That’s how it comes across.
You doubled down on your threat with detail, which doesn’t give readers the context to be able to deduce that you meant to be in the slightest bit self aware or apologetic, so without re-quoting yourself, it came across as hypocritical.
Maybe “sorry, that was somewhat facetious and self-aggrandizing of me” and then not doubling down might have come across better. That’s what I think, anyway.
Sure. But thing is, there’s software out there for which FOSS doesn’t even make much sense.
I’m talking things that are so niche, the total amount of potential users (not customers - that’s a much smaller number) is in the hundreds of thousands, not even millions - most of whom have no say in what software they use, nor does it affect their pay checks.
If I was building, say, accounting software that every company can use, that’d be different, because while still business focused, there’d be a lot more grass roots interest in it. But I’m talking about software where you have to sell it to a bunch of execs, along with support contracts and uptime guarantees, because their entire business is dependent on it functioning properly. I’m also talking about software for one niche of one industry in one country.
The project isn’t useful enough to you, an engineer, to reverse engineer the backend. Nor are there any open alternatives that work. It requires keeping up with regulations, including some that change every year. It’s not that the software itself is super complex magic, it’s that it stops being useful if not well-maintained.
What I have considered, though, is making parts of it open source, and keeping only the “secret sauce” proprietary. The open source parts would be stuff that could be used to build similar software for other niches of the same target industry, whereas the super specific niche stuff and all the regulation compliance stuff (much of which is just for that one niche anyway - other niches have different regulations) would be proprietary. Essentially building a set of FOSS libraries, and a niche proprietary application that uses them to service a specific market. Again, good reason for using a forge where you can have both public and private projects - but of course I could just use CodeBerg for the open source and host the rest of it privately.
I’m only building this in my spare time and fairly slowly because I have to do work that gets me paid though. I don’t know if I’ll ever have an MVP I could show investors or clients.
What I have considered, though, is making parts of it open source, and keeping only the “secret sauce” proprietary. The open source parts would be stuff that could be used to build similar software for other niches of the same target industry, whereas the super specific niche stuff and all the regulation compliance stuff (much of which is just for that one niche anyway - other niches have different regulations) would be proprietary.
This seems perfectly reasonable and I wish you the best of luck. Just don’t expect anyone to provide the infrastructure for your proprietary secret sauce for free!
Well, github would provide it for free. Their business model is that just hosting shit is free, but costing them actual server resources means you gotta pay 'em. And that’s a sensible business model IMO, but unfortunately they’re also owned by Microsoft, which I didn’t even like 2 decades ago, let alone now that they’re pushing AI.
Guess what I’m hoping is for Github alternatives, potentially based on Forgejo, to adopt a similar business model (free storage, paid runners beyond a very limited free tier essentially), without the whole using everyone’s code for AI training part.
I also have no problem with a small recurring donation. But the ironic part here is that I wouldn’t want to use a forge that’s so small that it NEEDS the donations. I don’t want it to disappear after a year.
