Thanks for the weekly reminder to update.
Pacman will start the fight as soon as all packages are up to date, assuming no packages push updates in the time it takes to update (unlikely).
guixDnf install
Apt install
Pacman -S (which is short, for sInstall.)The best syntax is zypper’s zypper in se, etc.
You can use these abbreviations with DNF too, by the way.
I use it everyday and I still hate pacman’s flags with a passion
After using dnf a bit:
- All the default answers are backwards to me, so
dnfquite literally ignores my input. dnf searchdid not show, by default, if a matching package is already installed.- Perfect perhaps for newbies, since dnf asks you trice.
yeah… arch is not leaving me anytime soon. The option to
makepkgfrom source a few custom packages is very neat.- All the default answers are backwards to me, so
Nix
when the
sudo nixos-rebuild switchWhat about LFS with make
I’m only 4 months into Linux, and apt is my comfort zone. Checking out other distros that use something else has me running away like:
Don’t panic, apt+flatpak does everything very well, if all you need is a working computer. If you need a hobby, try nix or guix
This gif makes me irrationally angry.
I almost used this godzilla gif to illustrate my point instead. Maybe you’ll enjoy it more.
YSK/PSA: If you’re on Mint, Mint’s
aptis not Debian’saptand while they work similarly for common use cases, they diverge pretty quickly beyond that. Both are installed by default but Mint’s takes precedence.*Case in point: I was looking for which package - specifically one that was not yet installed - contains a certain command line tool and Mint’s
apt searchdoes not find it. Debian’s does. **On the other hand, Mint’s
apthas way more subcommands than the default one, which have been useful on occasion.* Mint’s is at
/usr/local/bin/aptand Debian’s is at/usr/bin/apt; The default user$PATHputs/usr/local/binbefore/usr/bin.** FWIW, the tool is/was
spongeand it’s in themoreutilspackage.I wonder why apt search on ubuntu and debian must be so bad: on mint each package has a single line and an easy letter telling you if the program is installed or not. On debian/ubuntu each program takes multiple lines, are all green and the only way to distinguish installed ones is to look for an (installed) string at the end of the first line. I like Mint’s apt version so much
don’t let this type of bantering concern you
we are all just splitting hairs and knocking each other’s preferences when it is basically trivial. Like BMW and Mercedes drivers trying to one up who drives the superior German car
That’s easy Mercedes hasn’t made the superior car since the 80’s
I use eMacs by the way.
You seem to have misspelled vim.
sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade -y
=
sudo dnf update -y
For most systems. If you can get apt you can get any of them.
The feds don’t want you to know this but you can just put “-U” at the end of
sudo apt upgradeand it updates before upgrading.what the fuck
If they are suppressing this, what else aren’t they telling us
vim has a built-in autocomplete you can use by pressing ctrl-n during interactive mode.
You can basically take that statement and replace “apt” with “whatever the first package tool I used” and it would be true for anyone.
My first package manager was YaST, then RPM, then APT. Apt rules, and while I’ve tried some more, I’m not afraid to say APT became my comfort zone.
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pacman is very fast and handy. The (in)famous
pacman -Syuhad you system completely up to date in record time.Sometimes I miss its speed and simplicity
paru entered the chat (doesn’t even need -Syu).
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For me, pacman is my comfort zone. Fast, reliable and easy to handle. But apt was it for a long time as well.
Exactly what I feel when I look or have to interact with anything that doesn’t have pacman 😅
I have to admit that I love the “pacman” pun quite a bit, which is nearly enough by itself to convince me to try it. One day. Maybe.
I can’t lie, that’s one of the reasons I moved over to CachyOS a few months back. It’s not the only reason, but it’s been my favourite distro for sure that I’ve tried. It’s the first one that really felt good to me.
It’s really a great distro, I’ve been using it fulltime on laptop and PC for over a year. Best one I’ve tried so far and for some reason it’s less buggy than EndeavourOS was for me. The only thing I don’t like about it is the name.
Pacman is great until you forget to delete your lock file because you interrupted an update and wonder why it isn’t working.
APT is user-friendly, but a pain to automate in scripts.
the real winner is compiling from source. 😎
Yep, had to brick my system once to learn you never interrupt an upgrade…
pacman always tells you when the lockfile is present.
Yeah but then every time I have to relook up what that means lol, and how to fix it
Portage gang represent
Zypper
sudo zypper dupAll day every day.
Yay
pacaur
yay breaks too often to be relied on for system updates
Been using it for 2 years now, never once had it break unless I messed up the command and tried to update aur packages along with system packages
The humans are chocolatey right?
And the worms are
winget.
apt today, apt tomorrow, apt forever
Apt together strong
Apt my beloved Ɛ>
ILoveCandy Color ParallelDownloads = 15I can hear the SYYU sound it makes chasing them
Don’t use yy unless needed (very corner cases), the mirrors thank you :)
Tbh i never checked what this means, found it somewhere in the arch wiki when i was trying out arch
-y only syncs the repository metadata that’s needed, while -yy forces a full refresh. This is very rarely needed and requires quite a bit more bandwidth from the mirrors
For me apt is faster only 3 letters
I mean… that’s not incorrect, but…
>>> len("apt update && apt upgrade") 25 >>> len("pacman -Syu") 11Is Yay out of date? “yay -syu” is even shorter
Still longer, but at least just use
apt upgrade --updateSorry but muscle memory makes me write:
apt-get update apt-get upgradeAnd I’m used to apt complaining about missing repo URL, and then I have to fix it by pointing to archive.debian.org.
that’s why we have
alias pac='pacman'i aliased
pp='pacman -S'
inspired by vim’s:yyand:ddand etc…Or just use yay instead
Certainly faster than dnf
