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      Hell, Mac OS is even a certified UNIX operating system, something that even Linux (or GNU+Linux) can’t say.

      It’s still a non-FOSS OS which is the real reason it sucks, but it’s a lot better than a lot of people seem to think. Whereas Windows just plain sucks on a usability level too, not just the licensing.

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        I read a deep dive into the macos “certified UNIX” thing and it’s a scam. I dont remember the details but the certification is obtained only through a set of testing exceptions. The macos used by people is not the macos that is Unix certified.

        As a former macos user (2013-2024ish), macos has become IMO a very user hostile experience. It’s not quite as bad as windows, but macos is not the “user friendly, it (mostly) just works and gets out of your way” os it used to be.

        I’m full time Linux now and when I have to use macos or windows I cannot believe how user hostile they both are.

        Linux is far from perfect, but at least I control my system/os.

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        That’ll do it. The work might be impressive, but why care about a project that has one purely spite-driven goal that makes no technical or social sense?

        It uses real init systems

        What a completely childish tagline. Even if there was any merit to all the systemd hate, calling it “not a real init system” is absurd.

        They stopped supporting GNOME based desktops and treat that in the most “sour grapes” way imaginable …

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    Cool and Good here (Fedora).

    Tbh fedora feels too easy, but it is technically a corpo distro (IBM/RedHat) so its kinda in their own interest to be easy

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        yes in a vm, specificly Debian GNU/hurd, works suprisingly, main issues is lack of hardware support, for usage as a vm guest, I would say it is already better than half of the BSDs

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          Arch is high skill floor high skill ceiling. Once you get good you can do really cool things with it. GNU/Herd is high skill floor low skill ceiling. If you’re really good and practice really hard, eventually you’ll be able to do things that could have been easier achieved with literally anything else.

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    After I realized Ubuntu and Mint (the two distros I used the most) are both based on Debian, I switched to Debian with KDE Plasma. I don’t know why I never tried it before and I’m never going back.

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      My typical Linux installation workflow:

      1. Attempt to install Debian.
      2. It doesn’t work because the kernel is too old to support my new hardware (even though it’s not always that new).
      3. Rather than trying to fix it, just install Kubuntu instead.

      Failing to have graphics drivers for my gaming PC with a GPU I bought the day it launched is one thing, but Debian also failed to have WiFi drivers for the cheap N100 NUCs I bought for my kids the other day – with wifi hardware that’d been out for multiple years at this point – and that’s just ridiculous.

      Kubuntu annoys me with Snaps, but it also Just Works in a way Debian unfortunately doesn’t.

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      The reason you’ve never tried it before is probably that they only recently made an effort to make it palatable for the average nerd. It always had a bit of a reputation of being not easy to work with.

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        It’s been fine for the average nerd for a couple decades. The installer has been mostly unchanged since 2005 or so, and I don’t see much difference in an installed system either. I think you can live boot it ahead of installation now, maybe that’s a big deal to some people?

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      On top of that, putting it below Windows? This is clearly someone who’s never used one or thinks gaming is the only thing you do on a computer. I’m all for Linux and use it in several places, but it has nothing on MacOS polish. Sure, it’s not perfect, but it’s a far cry from ChromeOS or Windows 11.

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        I’m all for Linux and use it in several places, but it has nothing on MacOS polish.

        Literally why I prefer a Macbook for work and a Linux desktop for gaming. The former just works with a little bit of setup (brew), the latter allows for infinite tinkering and customizability.

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        While I loath windows, I would still put it above Mac if only for the ability to put windows on whatever you want. Even if Mac is more polished, the fact that it only works reasonably on vastly overpriced, mostly unrepairable hardware kills any appeal it would have. Add in apple’s tendency to gimp devices as if a three year old machine is at deaths door, and I’ll go to a customized windows os every time.

        Also the gaming thing. It’s not pinnacle, but it’s also not trivial.

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          I’m highly critical of Apple, their philosophy for proprietary hardware with an aggressive stance against right to repair, and some particular design flaws on specific models of their machines that are unacceptable for the price point they sell their products at. Not to mention their ball coddling of the fascist fuck in the white house.

          But MacOS is definitely superior to Windows, game developers not focusing on MacOS be damned. The bloat on Windows is beyond overkill, and MacOS’s Unix based build for ultra specific hardware runs so much more efficiently. I used to play around with a hackintosh back when Mac OS X Lion was around.

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          I used my 2011 iMac until two years ago and you can easily install Windows and Linux on a Mac so the whole gaming thing just isn’t a valid complaint. It’s not Apple that makes devs not port to MacOS as much (same with Linux). I have a laptop from 2015 that microshit decided can’t run Windows 11, so they’re even worse. You’re objectively misinformed.

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          My MacBook Air is five years old still has 92% battery it’s not even close to deaths door for either me of Apple. My XPS 13 is five years old and has had its battery and thermal paste replaced.

          I haven’t played a video game since Oregon Trail was new.

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        To be honest my SO has an older MacBook and using that a couple of times convinced me to absolutely never buy one myself (regarding the os).
        I had to google the most basic functions which you can achieve with a right click on other systems


        It seems people don’t like my dislike of MacOS lol

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          It’s surely just you not understanding that the real problem is that you don’t know how to use it while you do know how to use whatever you’re comparing it to.

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          MacOS doesn’t work exactly like Windows? The hell you say!

          You know you’ve got a bad take when someone who doesn’t even like Apple is making fun of you. Just saying.