I’m not a fan of communism, but I DO very much like tanks.
A libertankian, perhaps
I felt similarly until I discovered anarchism
Everyone thinks they’re in the based zone and everyone else is the problem 😂
Oh fuck, the MAGA crowd has started posting. Get ready for made up stupid shit to distract / confuse you as they are.
My politics begin and end with screaming “The Epstein Files!” at passing motorists and calling everyone who says “Shut up, nerd!” a Russian bot.
Ok good lol
Feline anarchy is the only valid. Human whole purpose is to server cats. Fuck everyone else.
Fuck capitalism, fuck communism, fuck fascism, fuck everyone. FELINE ANARCHY!!!
I heard about arachno communism but this is new to me
server cats
I tried to do that, but they wouldn’t let the cats in the colo.
“Tankie” is a meaningless pejorative used by feds and morons to smear actual socialists, as is “authoritarian”. Refusal to wield authority in defense of socialism only guarantees capitalism will destroy it anywhere it is attempted.
Average .ml behaviour
Yep
Based
This is based, but I think the based zone is bigger than the tankie zone. They’re just louder because they don’t get what they want
Not louder, just constantly correct and unapologetic
They’re just louder because they don’t get what they want
And the rest of us do?
Stop, it hurts
Forgive my ignorance, what is a tankie?
A person who believes that an authoritarian state is righteous and justified as long as it calls itself communist (even if it’s not), examples being the USSR, North Korea, China, and oddly the current capitalist Russian federation. You can find a more in-depth answer here.
Accurate
Oh, I know better than to participate in this discussion.
Yeah, lots of pointless arguing further down in here. Like arguing about whether authoritarianism is left or right like that even matters. There are no set of single labels that can describe everyone’s motivations, goals, and what they are willing to do to get them, so arguing about the labels is pointless.
are you pro or anti sea piracy?
Probably anti overall, though context could change that. It’s just sea banditry and most bandits aren’t Robin Hood.
The digital version shouldn’t even be compared by using the same name, but if it was honest, then it wouldn’t work as propaganda (not that it seems to be working anyways).
Nice try, Tankie.
Tankies are not further left, they are further right
None of these people are British Communists writing in defense of trade unions.
Lack of britishness is in fact a virtue
tankies aren’t “further left than me” they’re “more authoritarian than me”
“further left than me” are idealist utopian communists and “more libertarian than me” are idealist utopian anarchists
nobody can agree what “left” means
it means a very scary mountain
That is nonsense.
The left was coined by its opposition to the monarchy while the right supported it.
So left has been currently and historically speaking in opposition of hierarchies and in favor of equality.
The right consequently has been in favor of hierarchies.
Okay, but just grounding it in historical context doesn’t make it the definition. If Mamdani established Mamdanistan and abused courts to execute people polluting ground water with data centers, that would be hierarchical, but very clearly not “right wing” in the common understanding.
Opposing hierarchies is generally fitting, but the minutia of politics make such simple definitions harder to agree on by everyone, which touches on their point.
Weird example but ok.
And no, it is not only historical. I stated that in my original comment and I invite you to look at left wing politics but some “left wing” politician’s position on some random issue, but a widely supported position by the left wing community. You will see that they are all in opposition of hierarchy.
But let’s take your weirdly racist example, where is the hierarchy?
I think it’s weird that you think it’s “weirdly racist”. Weirdo
Sorry my bad, I thought jokes about Mamdanistan were more common internet parlance, the point is a radical leftwing state in the minds of fox news viewers. I was doing the limiting case to prove the point, but the base point is prosecution of criminal environmental acts through courts requires hierarchy.
I guess I have to ask what you mean by hierarchy if you don’t believe that courts executing people counts.
Yep. Authoritarianism does not lie leftward, it is not a leftist principle.
Yeah, exactly. This graphic is really bad. I guess it’s supposed to be incorrect, but it sends a bad message.
Also, the only people calling anyone “shitlibs” are literal tankies. Sane leftists don’t call anyone “shitlib.”
Any leftist to the right of my on the spectrum is probably considered center-left. I prefer democratic socialism and/or social democracy, using incremental progress to achieve leftist reform.
People are allowed to have different opinions than me. That’s what democracy is. But no one can be allowed to be authoritarian in a democracy, because authoritarianism is incompatible with democracy and a danger to it.
Authoritarians don’t respect diversity of opinion, they don’t tolerate differences. So I’m so tired of authoritarian-minded people whining and calling me intolerant just because I shut them down when they’re trying to dominate others.
>democracy
look inside
>attachment to particular institutions, policies and practices
Imagining yourselves as everyone’s parents… Literal unironic paternalism.
Having a .ml as one’s actual parent sounds like a nightmare though. Absolutely a sure fire way to create an anarcho-capitalist or some shit in the natural backlash.
Just because I recognize that you are the intellectual equivalent of a toddler doesn’t mean I accept the responsibility of raising you
So you think you and those that agree with you should have power over people but have no responsibility to them?
I legitimately don’t care if you think I’m stupid I know what you think is smart.
the point of the meme is to be wrong…
libertarians are not anarchists
Anarchists are a genre of libertarians though. It’s just that who dominates the landscape of “libertarian” is ancaps, who are just fascists with a weirder set of steps to implement a fascist nightmare.
How is Utopian communist further left? A non-realizable ideology isn’t left, left is one which actually has political power and is based on material reality, because it’s the one which ends up achieving results.
the farthest extremes on either side are unrealistic and deluded. just because you like one side doesn’t mean they dont get crazy when you go far enough. it’s VERY important not to lose site of that.
yes a communist utopia is unachievable. yes there are people who are actively pursuing that impossible goal. that does not make them unleft.
Being in the middle does not make a stance correct. Saying “slavery is good” and someone saying “slavery is bad” does not make “some slavery is good” the correct position.
Secondly, utopianism is what they are referring to, the practice of theorycrafting a perfect idea and trying to create that by explaining that perfect idea to everyone. Communism has been scientific since Marx, however those who still cling to utopianism over scientific communism do exist to this day. They are typically called “ultraleft,” but not because they are “more left,” but because they place ideals over material reality. That’s why the question exists, can they truly be called “more left” if their strategy is impossible to begin with?
i didn’t say you should be centerist lmao. i said that extremism is real and something to watch yourself on. I’m very far left, that why I’m on this forum you goof. that doesn’t mean leftist extremism isn’t real.
when i said father i meant in pursuing a specific goal or idea. not “father left”.left vs right is just defined by vague political goals and ideas. to say anything is more or less of that is impossible because the scale is undefined. that’s not what matters, the point is that if you don’t police your own beliefs you are likely to fall down dangerous rabbit holes.
My point is that “extremism” doesn’t really mean anything, except that it diverges from the median political opinion. Communism is correct and viable, despite being “extreme” in the eyes of the mainstream westerner.
I hate this left/right shit. There’s only conservatives and everyone else.
I wish that were true. Unfortunately, you have a large population of liberals who believe “This far left and no further” is a policy they’re willing to see others kill and die for.
We’ve got a bloc of political consultants who exist to infiltrate and undermine civil movements, a media sphere that propagates all sorts of hysteria around any kind of local leftist control of government or the economy, and a professional managerial class that is all in on a permanent labor underclass they can profitably exploit.
They’ll wave the rainbow flags and write op-eds about how much they love immigration and wistfully pine for a health care system that’s more affordable, right up until someone suggests their Starbucks Baristas might strike for better benefits. And then its fascism time.
And the “conservatives” are liberal as hell. The only thing they “conserve” is value for the ultra rich and some cherry-picked Biblical social order. Restrictions on capitalism? Let freedom ring.
And this is how those in power stay in power.
And this is how those in power stay in power.
what do you mean?
Divide and conquer.
Yup. Anyone writing off the majority of their fellow working class is just playing into hands of fascists.
