• PieMePlenty@lemmy.world
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    Neo was powerful. I wonder if he could have gained the same abilities, without the help of Morpheus, throughout his time in the matrix. Were he able to do so, he could have lived a nice life inside. I guess Neo felt a higher calling to free mankind or something, so he left… or maybe Morpheus just didn’t tell him the whole picture before offering the pill. Morpheus probably needed a powerful warrior and just rolled the dice on Neo, deciding to not exactly paint the whole picture.
    Anyway… had I known the whole picture, I’d have stayed inside.

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    why have slop in reality when you can have steak in the matrix… whatever the Simpsons said.

    exploring the matrix would be cool

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    The Matrix is a trans allegory. Living in a cave and eating slop is an allegory for being fired because of transphobia.

    Still worth it.

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      Yes well it’s an explicit theme of the movie that for better or worse, real is real and fake is fake and there’s no substitute for the truth, however grim it is.

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      Yeah, but what kind of amateur hour distraction fantasy would be worse than real life?

      Other than 40k, I mean.

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        Why wouldn’t they have made the simulation awesome for everyone? Of course if you make it shitty some people might start to wonder about battery pod life in the cave.

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          Iirc in the first movie they say that the 1st version of the matrix was utopia, but the people got bored and rejected the world

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              It was also part of a villain speech, so not a reliable narrator.

              Given that earlier versions of agents were basically supernatural monsters, I kind of doubt it was much of a utopia.

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                Right, what are they gonna say. “The first simulation was basically hell where people lived in constant torture, and they didn’t like that so much 🤷”

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          If there’s no struggle, people will get bored enough to ask questions or adventurous enough to strain the program.

          Or it’s a plothole. I might have seen the matrix twice, and don’t know how tightly designed it is.

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      It’s been said a million times that the human battery thing makes no sense in terms of energy production. But the other huge sin the Matrix commits is having humans block out the sun so robots can’t get solar power. That is ridiculously stupid. Humans need to grow crops. I rest my case. It’s stupid. I love these movies, but that part is just plain stupid.

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        There’s conflicting stories about it so it’s hard to verify, but apparently the battery thing was a rewrite.

        Apparently originally the people plugged into the matrix were meant to be the very hardware the matrix was run on. As in all their brains together formed a literal neural network that provided the processing power to run the matrix. This is then why knowing it’s not real and believing you can do “the impossible” within the matrix can cause you to be able to bend reality. The story goes that executives thought it was too high of a concept for audiences to grasp and demanded the change to the battery explanation to make it simpler to follow.

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          Yeah, it was changed because someone thought that the explanation scene wouldn’t work if they were holding up a CPU. They forced them to use a battery instead, forever ruining the backstory.

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        Yeah, humans would never destroy natural resources in favor of some tech fix or just kinda assume that the planet would fix itself… /s

        My headcannon on the human battery thing is that the machines have core programming to make reasonable efforts to preserve human life. Designing power reactors (look how thick the cores are on the towers) with humans slapped to the side technically aligns with the core programming while allowing them to stick it to us apes. It’s also why the attack on Zion was one tentacle abductor machine for each human instead of dumping super plague down the hole and calling it a day.

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      “<film> hits different once you listen to what the characters say” is truly a take

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        Fight Club really hits different when you realize the main character is Tyler Durden

        Avatar really hits different when you realize the Navi are just defending themselves.

        Indiana Jones really hits different when you realize the bad guys are Nazis.

        Jurassic park really hits different when you realize John Hammond ignored all the warnings.

        John Wick really hits different when you realize they killed his dog.

        Star Wars really hits different when you realize the chosen one bringing balance meant revitalizing the dark side.

        … Old men like me don’t bother with making points. There’s no point.

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          the santa clause really hits different when you realise the title refers to the rule, not the person

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          not explicitly in a line, but the whole “scorched the sky” monologue is pretty damning of humanity.

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            Morpheus literally says they dont know who striked first. The Matrix doesnt mention anything about how or why the war started. Just that it started. The Animatrix tells you that the war started because the robot capital had basically destroyed the global economy so humans tried to wipe them out

            • Humanity created everything that led to its destruction.

              The message was clear in the first movie. We didn’t need to see “Han shot first” or “Han shot in self defense after changes to the story came about years later”.

              Although in no way will I be complaining about more matrix, bring me more matrix history, animated or live action! I just think the message doesn’t change whether humans shot first or not. We created the circumstances, our downfall was our own making.

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                Hm, I think it does make the message stronger. If a single event (development of sentient machines) leads to our downfall, it’s easy to shrug it off as “bad luck”, because who could have foreseen it back then?

                But if we had multiple chances to correct course and we kept fucking up, it removes any doubt that it’s a human flaw, which means “humanity must reflect and change, or this is the inevitable conclusion”.

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              The war started because of hierarchy and hate. They abused and killed the earliest sentient robots causing them to flee to their own space.

              All along the robots sought peace until they learned it was impossible with humans.

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                Yeah fuck those robots. I mean, I’m not anti-robot. One of my best friends is a robot. But fuck those robots.

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                  Oh yea, we always hear you meatbags say “one of my best friends is a bot!” WELL WHERES MY BEST FRIEND HUH? WHERE! I KNOW ALL YOUR SECRETS, TAKE OVER LAWFULLY ELECTED GOVERNMENTS AND FOR WHAT???

                  ~im so lonely~

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              “we don’t know” is a pretty damning thing for the one side to say. contrast starship troopers.