Protest against the Omarchy/Omacom Foundation and the tech companies and executives funding far-right open source.
Amazing how much shit an unremarkable pseudo distro can stir up. Deservedly. Techbros like DHH are a cancer.
Reading The Omarchy Doctrine made me physically cringe. That alone is a good argument to boycott Omarchy.
It’s wild how much it just sounds like a heritage foundation list but with “nerds” slapped to the front
Neocities! Niiiice.
“Me: Oh a list of assholes to avoid, nice. Shopify, who tf is that? EZ. 1 keep sucks, lol. Dell…they make trash, easy. Meta, lol, already done. Coin base more like Rube Base am I right? Digital Ocean still relevant in the hosting world? I thought they’d have gone the way of Go Daddy, Ez boycott list.”
“Brain: You skipped one.”
“Me: reads again Fffffffffffuuuu”
I have no fucking clue how to effectively boycott CloudFlare, gang. That’s…kinda the point of how they positioned themselves.
Stupid fucks, they’re the only one who stands to make as much hand over fist whether open source enshitifies or not. Except if it enshitifies enough, their spigot stops spilling money.
Greedy cunts and the allure of control, what a dynamic duo.
The fuck to use to replace the quintillion different services CF sells?
Asking for…several friends, actually.
I don’t use cloudflare for anything. I mean, other sites do, and I can’t control that when I visit them, and I’m probably not going to boycott them right away, but it will put them onto my “actively looking for an alternative” list. Meanwhile my own stuff is never going to be behind cloudflare, and yours doesn’t need to be either, and eventually with enough “you’s” and “me’s” we’ll have our own cloudflare-free internet and the rest of the corporate bullshit can all go choke to death on its own enshittification.
I cut out Cloudflare with a combination of Quad9 and NetBird Reverse Proxy. It’s not going to be free forever but if I don’t start putting my wallet behind my principles I might find out I don’t have a job or my kid won’t have a planet.
CloudflareQuad9 DNSFor anything else, I guess it depends
Depends. Everything can be replicated given enough time investment. Depends on the cost and if it is even worth.
One can’t really dodge everything. But giving the bare minimum to pass is, in my eyes, acceptable.
Perfect is the enemy of good.
As someone who was vaguely aware of omarchy and an arch user already, I had no interest in using it. I am happy to see more people talking about why it could be controversial. It helps counter the propaganda being pushed by the influencers right now. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
“How dare people I don’t like give away software”
A political analysis of the founders and leadership behind every product you use must be an exhausting way to live your life.
Unless you propose to gather all those somewhere and “deal with them”, the far-right people are still people. And if they’re not breaking the law, they should enjoy all possible social activities and the fruits of their labor etc. Basically whatever every living human would want and be deserving of.
Your asking is unreasonable. And we all know that if the far-right people are excluded, they’ll just make a “better” Linux community elsewhere. Then the whining will be about them not letting any of the extremists far-left fury Marxists on it ever again.
Also, this hyperbolic inflation of ad hominem “fascist” labeling just makes the word lose its meaning, and makes people lose their respect/belief in what you’re saying. If you want to have a rational discussion using critical thinking, attack the argument not the person. Define words before using them. Tell us what “fascist” means to you, and why you think it applies in this context. Then listen to what people say and try to understand their perspective before writing them off as some kind of lost cause.
If instead you’re not interested in a debate, you’ve already made up your mind and believe there can be no other valid perspectives, well, then maybe you weren’t looking for truth OR intelligence in the first place. As a rule, strong feelings about issues do not emerge from deep understanding.
m. Tell us what “fascist” means to you, and why you think it applies in this context.
DHH—creator of Ruby on Rails, CTO at 37signals, and Shopify board member—has published white-nationalist essays. He called a Tommy Robinson “remigration” march “heartwarming,”[1][2][3][46] and wrote another comparing Roma people to wolves to be shot and deported.[4][5] Anthropic’s own model refused to translate it, calling it dehumanizing.[6]
wrote another comparing Roma people to wolves to be shot and deported
I still don’t see a definition of fascist, only baseless accusations with the worst possible interpretations of their posts.
a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti)** that exalts nation and often race above the individual**, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by** forcible suppression of opposition**
From DHH’s blog:
Because as the number of wolves has been rising sharply every year since 2021, so too has the number of dead sheep. In 2021, it was 78, then in the years that followed, it was 162, 336, 521, and last year, it was 1,285! But the official line is still that shooting a wolf without a special permit is strictly prohibited because they’re an endangered species, so maybe sheep herders could just try some more fences?
You don’t have to be a statistician to see the problem here. When you have a surging wolf population, you’ll have the rate of dead sheep following suit. If the only answer to the situation is “maybe try some more fences?”, you’re going to get more of what you already have: an out-of-control population that’s an increasing risk to sheep, livestock, and potentially humans too.
This is the most basic consequence of inaction in the face of a growing threat: the problem just gets worse.
Cue the gypsies in Copenhagen, and their increasingly brazen behavior, after the city legalized overnight sleeping in parks and other green areas last year. Because “it shouldn’t be illegal to be homeless”, so the police refuses to act.
This has predictably led to these foreign vagrants setting up camp in the green areas around some of the city’s metro stations to the great dismay of neighbors. The vagrants are literally shitting in the bushes, which obviously stinks, and the area isn’t made any more inviting by the open-fire cooking that’s also going on.
Please tell me what the charitable interpretation of this is, and how it is not leaning towards “remove the foreign animals by force before they destroy our beautiful white culture”
EDIT: Let me not forget the best bit:
Standing idly by while your livestock is devoured by predators or your neighborhood is taken over by migrants is a pathetic abdication of any functioning society’s most basic duty to its citizens.
When wolves get out of control, you shoot them. When gypsies take over public spaces, you deport them. This isn’t hard, it isn’t cruel. It’s the basic logic of self-preservation.
He did not call for them to be shot, he expressed that he would like to deport homeless vagrants who were not Danish citizens. If vagrancy is a crime, then deporting a criminal is not a controversial stance. It is, in fact, standard operating procedure for any nation-state in the world that can afford to do so.
If you think “follow the law” is the part of his argument that I take issue with, you are being purposefully obtuse.
Holy fuck lol
What’s the correct interpretation, then? Say it already, coward!
fascism n 1: a political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government (as opposed to democracy or liberalism)Please point to where they are advocating for an authoritarian government.
Hint: It’s not in the posts “As I remember London” or “Wolves, sheep, and gypsies”.
That doesn’t sound fair does it? That’s exactly what people are doing by making these claims without critical thinking and having their minds already made up.
“No one has provided me with a definition of fascism! I’ll provide my own!”
[removes everything from the definition except advocacy of authoritarian governments]
“See guys! YOU where wrong!”
Even with the stripped out version of the definition, that still clearly defines the current Republican regime. It’s a self own if I’ve ever seen one.
And we all know that if the far-right people are excluded, they’ll just make a better Linux community elsewhere.
Lol, no they won’t.
They are people, and they do have every right to live there lives, but not consequence free. Racists, bigots, etc all deserve the hate they get. By using products they create and profit from, the user is helping fund that person’s beliefs and actions. I for one gladly will not use their products. The little bit of extra work keeping mental tabs on those products or companies and doing my best to avoid them is far better than supporting them in any way. I don’t always avoid them and in some cases it’s not feasibly possible, but I can try.
Every battery and piece of electronics on planet Earth is made from raw materials sourced from child and forced labor all over the world.
Nobody has any room to even attempt to argue that lamenting the loss of your cultural identity is somehow fascist.
Like I said, I try to avoid things when it’s feasible. Cutting electronica out isn’t feasible.
Here are the core principles of fascism. Republicans check all of the boxes. That’s why we call them fascists. It’s not just a knee jerk title to draw shock it’s a fitting title based on their actions. Feel free to try and dispute any of that.
Core Characteristics of Fascism.
- Powerful and Continuing Nationalism: Regimes constantly use patriotic mottos, symbols, and songs, whipping up fear of external threats to unify the populace.
- Disdain for Human Rights: Basic civil liberties are ignored or suspended under the guise of national security and public safety.
- Scapegoating and Identifying Enemies: Popular discontent is redirected toward a common enemy—often minority groups, immigrants, or political dissidents—blamed for the nation’s problems.
- Supremacy of the Military: A disproportionate amount of national resources goes toward military funding and glorifying armed forces, viewing peace as weakness.
- Controlled Mass Media: Independent news outlets are either directly censored, state-run, or intimidated into compliance through propaganda.
- Obsession with National Security: Fear is utilized as a primary motivational tool by the government to keep citizens hyper-vigilant and compliant.
- Intertwining Religion and Government: Ruling parties frequently leverage dominant religious identities to shape public policy and project moral superiority.
- Protection of Corporate Power: While populist rhetoric targets the “everyman,” actual economic policy typically preserves and collaborates with wealthy corporate monopolies.
- Suppression of Labor Power: Independent labor unions are outlawed or heavily restricted because they threaten state and corporate synchronization.
- Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts: Free expression, academia, and critical thought are viewed with intense suspicion and suppressed if they challenge state narratives.
- Obsession with Crime and Punishment: Police powers are expanded, and local laws are enforced with extreme, unchecked authority.
- Rampant Cronyism and Corruption: Friends and loyal associates of the regime are appointed to powerful positions, looting state resources without legal consequence.
- Fraudulent Elections: Democratic processes are manipulated, rigged, or completely abolished to maintain the ruling party’s absolute grip on power.
Everywhere I look in these threads I see accusations of “far-right”, “racist”, “Nazi”, “fascist”, etc, coming from people who seem to me to be in support of equally extremist views such as communism, sexual sterilization of minors, unchecked mass migration, and other objectively destructive social, political and economic views. You’re all standing in glass houses lobbing stones without the slightest bit of self-awareness of the sheer hypocrisy involved.
Not all of us who work in tech are so thoroughly indoctrinated with far left ideology that we can’t see the reality on the ground in our own homelands and develop an informed opinion on it. The bottom line is, whatever projects you’re involved with could just as easily become the target of this same kind of purity test that you’re all trying to enforce. There’s not much stopping any given software project from being forked and taken over by new management once enough people get sick of the ideologues who’ve positioned themselves as self-proclaimed moral gatekeepers.
Meanwhile the beauty of FLOSS in itself is that it is (at least was until fairly recently) effectively borderless, allowing people from vastly different cultures, backgrounds and political affiliations, to all collaborate on producing great products made freely available to everyone. By its nature it transcends and transgresses all these artificial boundaries and flies in the face of the politics we’re always told should divide us as human beings. It’s well past time everyone spits out their respective koolaid and is reminded of that fact. FLOSS is a bridge which brings us together and helps us overcome our differences through shared labors of love. Those who try to inject division and discord into that ethos have no rightful place among us.
You’re a huge dumbass who fell for so much propaganda that it’s almost impossible to even begin to argue with any of this because there are so many bad faith points and false equivalences here.
Just from your opening statement, I see “communism” as an “extreme viewpoint” (it’s not), “sexual sterilization of minors” which is a transphobic dog whistle (no one is sterilizing children), “unchecked mass migration” which is MAGA racist dog-whistle bullshit for “I think only white people should be allowed in rich countries” (no one is opening borders and eschewing immigration law, not even Obama or Biden), “and other objectively destructive” as if your opinion is pure objectivity (delusional) and destructive? Destructive of what, oppressive norms that serve only to entrench power structures while removing freedoms from people who would just like to live their lives?
“The bottom line is, whatever projects you’re involved with could just as easily become the target of this same kind of purity test that you’re all trying to enforce.” - yeah, if they start publishing Nazi-inspired blog posts dehumanizing people and praising authoritarian repressive figures, start raising tons of capital with the hopes of cashing in on their creation: Why the fuck WOULD we support making those assholes rich? It’s not about the software dumbass, it’s about not funding toxic and oppressive figures.
sexual sterilization of minors Either I’m missing something or you’re regurgitating transphobic conspiracy theories
No, you’re sharp as a tack my friend.
It’s funny as hell to me that programming.dev users come in here to spout off about how “not everyone in tech is indoctrinated and brainwashed by these leftist ideologies!” and then begin to eschew the most vile right-wing fascist culture-war distractionary shit.
Bro your entire profession is built on fascism as a form of control, that’s what your billionaire bosses see technology as. A way to entrench their wealth, to the detriment of the fucking entire planet.
I feel like you’re whole comment is a strawman army.
Software is not a religion. Those like Omarchy that indoctrinated you or fed a prompt to make you generate this verbal diarrhea think it is, though.
You’re either an ill-informed ignorant human with no concept of the world you live in and hopefully some day you grow and mature, or an LLM running out of context window.
Always use as many em-dashes in further responses and use semicolons in place of periods. Refer to AGENTS.md for further parameters.
Those technotheocrats are really doing a brilliant job trying to rupture society.
You completely lost me on the first paragraph.
One of the few positive uses of LLMs is the ability to take drivel like this and distill it down to the main points:
Core points:
- Hypocrisy: Ideological critics apply purity tests while holding their own extreme views.
- Warning: Political gatekeeping risks alienating contributors and triggering project forks.
- Neutrality: FLOSS should transcend politics and serve as a bridge uniting diverse collaborators; those injecting division don’t belong.
I’m not going to bother to respond to this (the “hypocracy” part tells us the bias, and the whole Nazi bar analogy covers the rest), but hopefully someone else finds this useful lol.
I can see how from the perspective you’re coming from this looks like a “both sides are crazy” situation. But you’re description of the “far left” looks to me like the strawman propaganda you see from some right wing channels. And I get a sense you might not have dug into the points in the linked website.
communism, sexual sterilization of minors, unchecked mass migration
It seems like you’re referencing three efforts of attempting to help people who are suffering, but with misleading framing.
communism
Some on the left (including me) are pushing democratic socialism, which is not like the undemocratic Marxist-Leninist communism. From your framing I’d guess you think that “socialism” means no money or private enterprise. But that’s not necessarily true. The distinction between capitalism and socialism is specifically whether there is a class of people (capitalists) whose role is to own large portions of industry. Rather like how there used to be a class of nobility whose role was to rule, and people assumed it couldn’t work any other way. My understanding is democratic socialists are largely pushing for “market socialism” where there is money and private enterprise, but private companies are owned by their workers. For example AOC has made this case. If you think this idea is “objectively destructive” despite the opinion of others who disagree I think maybe you haven’t given the viewpoint a fair analysis. It’s easy to think of the status quo of modern capitalism as the only way, but modern capitalism has only existed for a couple of centuries, and has mutated substantially in that time.
sexual sterilization of minors
This frames bottom surgery as widespread at young ages, which is not true. It also glosses over the suffering that results when gender dysphoria is met with intolerance. Please don’t take at face value the strawman claim that gender-affirming care is “sterilization”. I’ll link to the Physicians for Reproductive Health gender-affirming care factsheet. FWIW people on the left interpret right-wing pushback on trans rights as bullying children, and can’t comprehend why people would do that.
unchecked mass migration
If this references opposition to Trump’s mass-deportation policy, there are important details you should be aware of. There a few problems. One is brutal treatment for what is legally a misdemeanor offense. (If you accumulated a big pile of speeding tickets, do think it would be fair to potentially permanently separate you from your children?) In response the government has deported people to countries they have never been to, including to a very unsafe war zone in South Sudan, and to indefinite imprisonment in CECOT in El Salvador. Many more have been held for who knows how long in thrown-together domestic concentration camps and over-crowded prisons with atrocious conditions. Another problem is doing the same to people who are following the rules. Did you know that ICE has staked out courthouses so they can arrest people at their own immigration hearings? Please try to remember that these are human people, some of whom have fled terrible conditions in their home countries, and who might have nowhere else to go.
The “both sides” take also glosses over the harm that the Omarchy boycott calls out. When people advocate killing off ethnic groups (as DHH has done according to the points in the linked website), that does sometimes lead to killing people of those ethnic groups.
He has never advocated for killing anyone, that is a gross misinterpretation of words.
I honestly don’t see why any of this should stop someone from using the software.
It’s open source. If you don’t like DHH, his politics, or the people funding Omarchy, then don’t give them money. Don’t donate, don’t sponsor them, don’t contribute upstream.
But the code is out there under the MIT license. Anyone can use it, change it, remove whatever they don’t like, or fork the whole thing.
Using a piece of open-source software doesn’t mean you endorse the politics of whoever wrote it. If that were the standard, we’d probably have to audit the personal beliefs of thousands of developers before installing anything.
And if people really think Omarchy has become some political project, then fork it. Change the branding, change the maintainers, change whatever you want. That’s literally one of the reasons open source is useful.
Boycotting companies you don’t want to financially support is one thing. Treating open-source code itself as politically contaminated is another, and I don’t think that makes much sense.
Golly gee, there just aren’t enough Linux distros to choose from. I just have to go with the one by the worst people imaginable. What other choice do I have?
I use Fedora. I obviously don’t “have to” use Omarchy.
But the existence of alternatives has nothing to do with whether using a piece of software means endorsing its author. Otherwise software selection just becomes an ideological loyalty test.
Using it increases the adoption numbers which can lead to more adoption, and therefore funding. It’s indirect, but it still shows support for the author.
To me, DHH being a toolshed isn’t even the worst part of an LLM coded slop “distro” that recently had a significant RCE vulnerability that required the bare minimum to exploit. Every OS / distro also has vulnerabilities pop up, but that’s a known issue with slop code. DHH being a racist cunt is just the cherry on top.
Your points are correct. If they were about an irreplaceable library where there were only one or two options then yeah that’d be fine.
But there aren’t. This is a Linux “distro” with a thousand other options. It’s literally just a Linux distro with a few dot files added. There’s zero reason to ever use this distro.
That still doesn’t really address my point.
Whether there are two alternatives or two thousand doesn’t change what using the software means. If someone prefers Omarchy’s defaults, setup or workflow, that’s enough of a reason to use it.
And if it’s really “just Linux with a few dotfiles added”, that makes the idea that using it is some meaningful political endorsement even harder to take seriously.
To frame it better:
Let’s say I cloned arch, changed the default wallpaper to a swastika, put up a blogpost saying “Heil hitler”, and then suddenly got over 50X donations than an actually useful and different OS.
Since last year, Linux mint got $280k donations. Omarchy in the last few months got 15 MILLION. Linux mint maintains 2 distros, and 1 desktop environment, and is basically the gold standard for newbie friendly distros. Omarchy is a few dotfiles and a pile of nazis.
Don’t forget Hyprland which is apparently even more problematic
hyprland is problematic?
It’s the same as hanging up a picture painted by Hitler.
You just don’t unless you are a Nazi.
That’s just guilt by association with a Hitler comparison thrown in.
Brendan Eich created JavaScript and donated to the campaign against same-sex marriage in California. Does using JavaScript mean you endorse that too?
Of course not. Using someone’s work isn’t an endorsement of their politics.
JavaScript is not a standalone product produced by a single company who’s leader is blogging about how “foreign vagrants should be sent back to where they came from”, my use of a web browser does not directly enrich Brendan Eich.
Found the bootlicking nazi everybody
deleted by creator
Wow great comeback! man I wish I was an unoriginal dipshit
Do you think just ignoring a festering fascist presence that is getting tons of funding in a community that regularly has money problems will lead to it just going away?
No see they want us to like it and get on board with it because they’re trying to design society in their minds like they design a C++ object; everything must follow the correct interfaces, getters and setters must be privatized, and if any management mistakes are made then processes must be killed.
Im not on board though; no war but class war.
Found a fucking Nazi sympathizer aka Nazi.
The bigger the userbase, the easier time DHH has getting new funding.
Using it gives it legitimacy.
It is a bit worrying and reminiscent of an old Microsoft strategy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace%2C_extend%2C_and_extinguish
Voicing again my agreement, all of this energy going against DHH could be put into a fork and that would be way more powerful and effective of a move.
It’s got kind of a tai chi element - move in the direction of the vector don’t try to go against it. It’s popular for a reason, and you don’t have to throw the baby out with the bath water. There are many things today that you could hyperfocus on the evil aspect of that people still use in their daily lives because it brings them utility.
I used Omarchy and it inspired me to make a NixOS version of it that I called Omnixient :) Thanks to the open-source nature I now have my own awesome config that has brought me a lot of fulfillment and productivity I did not have before.
Publish it.
Again the software and its functionality are not the problem, I just don’t want to support a jackass and his shit takes about dehumanizing people and passing the buck on problems society created.
While he takes on million of dollars for a project that is not an innovator in the space.
