I don’t mind the worker. It’s the exploitative employer I take issue with.
What a terrible thing to pay someone who really needs to money to do a fairly low effort task for you. Saying this as someone who has done plenty of delivery driving myself, this is a pretty stupid meme.
Seriously.
I advocate against using Doordash because it is overly expensive and that money is better spent paying down debt. But claiming it’s bad to pay someone to do a job for you? The fuck?
- Nothing wrong with a service existing.
- Racist to assume that only people belonging to a certain race use these apps.
- The apps are exploitative, sure. Advocate for better labor regulations here.
This is the equivalent of saying “don’t wanna make your own coffee? Go to Tim Hortons to be served by lower class Indians”. Same message, but with the racism highlighted.
But I am le tired
They can cook my food all day, but only racists have it delivered 😡😡
Gee…can’t walk a block to get food I’m too lazy to prepare. Good thing Doordash will deliver ozempic soon.
Fuck off.
Two semi disabled folks here, the services are a godsend but I always tip. People don’t tip here, our last rider said we were the first tip in 3 days. :(
Tipping is communism, comrade.
How often do you use delivery?
Once or twice per week, give or take, mostly for small supplemental grocery orders. I have a shop that’s close but sometimes I just can’t.
Every three days if I had to guess
Conservatives would say that without this exploitation they wouldn’t have a job so you should keep paying these companies.
“Exploitation”? I hope you mean specifically the money these people are making, not the service instead - as the meme seems to suggest?
Outrage successfully manufactured!
(It’s far more racist to assume only minorities work for Door Dash than it is to imply whatever the fuck this shit tier meme is trying to say)
This meme is the exact way outside influences have sabotaged all of our social messaging and desires for a better future.
A lot of people who think they’re progressive are going to latch onto this idea and start saying dumb shit like “Doordash is racist” and they will get scorn and eye-rolling from literally everyone else, ruining the actual thing we should be recognizing, which is the wealth inequality that pushes people to deliver other people’s food using their own car and without healthcare or benefits.
Doordash’s problems have nothing to do with race, and everything to do with the wealthy pinching off our lives at every possible avenue.
It’s far more racist to assume only minorities work for Door Dash
Yeah agreed. Racial profiling is still racial profiling, using euphemisms like “lower class” and “minority” instead of the usual slurs doesn’t make it okay.
Agreed. Granted, it’s anecdotal, but everyone bringing my food (though, it’s been about 10 years) was (or appeared to be) white and all had a better vehicle than me.
My anecdote is that I’ve received Taco Bell orders from luxury cars and dudes on bikes who can’t speak English.
It turns out everybody is in need of money lately. I know the point of the language in OP is meant to point out a bad mentality, but when there’s no effort to emphasize it (i.e. quotation marks) then it feels to be in bad taste.
Not sure where you’re from, but it is becoming increasingly common in the West that non-white immigrants from the global south tend to do delivery jobs. It’s not necessarily that it’s racist, it’s just that locals don’t want to do these jobs and immigrants do them instead.
Yeah? And who’s making them do these jobs?
Might as as well do a meme about cleaning floors in public buildings. Or working in a fast food restaurant.
I think part of it has to do with the fact that the jobs don’t require you to speak English. I’ve also seen a decent share of deaf food delivery people for the same reason.
I’ve also seen a decent share of deaf food delivery people for the same reason.
That is news to me. It is actually sounds equitable to me to give deaf people such jobs. It reminds me of when the South Korean Supreme Court ruled in favour of only allowing blind folks to become massage therapists in S.Korea, because it is only one of the few jobs that blind people could do without being hindered by disability and have a means for living. And it doesn’t make the client feel uncomfortable if the massage therapist can’t see well so it’s a win-win for everyone. The policy is actually a legacy of Japanese colonialism, which is only one of a handful of colonial policies that proved to be a net positive for Korea.
I live in the PNW. And most of the time when we get DD, they’re white as the driven snow. So, if we’re using anecdotal experience- I’d say it’s the opposite.
Maybe it’s best we all start learning that the world isn’t just what happens on our own doorsteps.
I could say the same to you. It’s a broader trend that migrants from global south do plenty of delivery jobs. I’m not trying to discount your experience, but there are exceptions and outliers when it comes to statistics. Since you mentioned you are from PNW, just look across the border to Canada, and an often complain by racists is Indians working in convenience stores or delivery. And I’m like “what are you complaining? Who’s going to do delivery for you or serve you in shops?” Same thing here in Europe, Indians working in convenience stores and South Americans delivering. The racists complain of poc migrants doing low skill job and not integrating, and yet can’t live without ordering migrants to deliver food for them or working in shops. Britain has had issue of shortage of truck drivers after Brexit, especially during the pandemic. You’d think the white Britons who voted to leave the EU would learn their lesson, and yet they are close to electing a far right, anti-immigrant party that cosies up to Russia into power.
and this is why we shouldn’t allow anecdotal experience to take the place of factual information.
Both posters seem to be relying on anecdotal evidence and what they “feel” is correct.
Are you saying black people were enslaved? lowkey kinda racist bro 😬
What???
We prefer the term “hard-working individual entrepreneur” - those apps, probably
“Make”? Are they not being paid?
I don’t use them myself but if someone wants to pay someone else to go pick up food for them who gives a shit?
I use Krogers delivery sometimes now. Prices are all the same as in store, and I don’t have to drive there and back. If I pick a strange time for delivery, say 2-3pm on a Tuesday, shipping is like $1.99. It would cost more in gas for me to do it myself, and if you order $200 worth of groceries, it saves a lot of time.
There is no way they are saving money doing it, it must just be to scrape up the possibility I don’t stop at ALDI because it’s closer to me.
Kroger also for the time being uses hourly paid workers for their delivery and I hope they stay that way. I really dislike the whole independent contractor crap that most of these delivery apps do and ends up just hurting the workers at the end of the day fighting over what little tips and etc.
I think that service is still subsidized by the stores. Also it’s very different from having a single meal delivered instantly. Grocery deliveries can be made by a whole truck for many houses.
Yeah the refrigerated truck I’m sure helps during the summer
If the middle man app wasn’t so exploitative, I don’t see what the issue is.
We’ve had delivery as a middle class job for decades with milkmen and paperboys, the issue is that those jobs aren’t paying living wages anymore.
While I think these apps are exploitative on both sides (exploiting laziness/convenience and exploiting workers), I think implying that people who use delivery services are racist, classist, or both, is a very “internet” thing to do.
Perhaps it would be healthy if OP went outside for Christmas. A little walk in the real world, as opposed to Lemmy or Twitter or Bluesky, might help rebalance things.
Consider folks with disabilities or those who don’t own cars. I really don’t see the problem of a delivery service like DoorDash or UberEats that would pay its workers a living wage.
The reason those are unethical is that they don’t treat their workers as employees, and don’t pay enough. If someone started a generic-delivery service that used employed workers that are paid a living/thriving wage, didn’t request tips, had set fees, had customer service reps, and maybe had workers wear cams while on the shift as a security measure… would that not be worth supporting?
Hey, I totally agree with you.
The concept behind these apps is fine, even helpful. I’ve used these types of apps when I’ve been unwell and couldn’t get to the shops. I’m not forgetting people who are disabled. I don’t own a car.
I agree, an app that provided a similar service that took care of its employees would be fine. An app that provided a similar service without jacking the prices up massively and pushing junk food would be great.
I know and agree with you that the poor treatment and underpayment of workers is a problem.
Yes, of course your alternative app would be worth supporting.
We do not seem to be in any disagreement here.
If we all stop using the app, does it benefit these gig workers?
No, but the social conditions that allow the gig economy to even exist hurts gig workers. As usual, a systemic issue is being framed as a matter of consumer choice.
No.
Perhaps it would be healthy if OP went outside for Christmas.
Don’t worry I will have to go to my horrible laboring job.
The kind that only lower class minorities work? /s in case it wasn’t obvious
Yes that one. Literally mostly lower class minorities. Why the sarcasm?
Are you familiar with the clip of that person saying like, “Well Mr Trump, if you deport all the Mexicans, who will clean your toilets?”
I’m only asking cos this feels like the same situation. I think you’re pointing at a wider problem which is legit, but the way you’re expressing it is really hamfisted.
I think the problem here is that I didn’t make the meme and wouldn’t have made it about minorities. I think it’s bad that someone has to deliver food for a bad living, no matter the race.
But I find a lot of people here are making excuses about how they really really need their nuggies delivered by people deliberately kept poor and they can’t just put frozen ones into the oven themselves.
Ha, yeah I’m on board with your second point, man.
Thank you that’s nice. There have been special situations, where even I have ordered delivery. Also not everyone needs to have the exact same rules for this as me.
But still, I see this with acquaintances as well: Those who can afford it start using a lot of the working time of poorer people.
am I at lemmy meme.ml? lol
Okay, that’s just plain ol’, made up non-sense. No one in the USA walks
Duh
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The way you’re proud of 30 minutes of walking a day basically confirms their point.
I can’t see their comment but everyone should get some exercise in their day. I take a bus in my town which I acknowledge isn’t available to 90% of rural communities but getting out, even in the winter, and walking is good for you. I usually bike in the warmer months, again not always the best option in single family communities. Don’t blame me for Big Oil robbing you of fundamental ease of transportation
I wasn’t trying to ridicule or sound dismissive (but I accidentally did, I swear it wasn’t on purpose), it was just a bit funny to me that 30 minutes of walking a day counts as “actually we do walk around, even though I live in the most walkable county in the country”. Not funny in ha-ha sense, more like funny in “what the fuuuuck” sense.
