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Glad to see we all still hate each other for existing inside our anatomy. That’s what this comment is about, right? Hating women for having tits and hating men for having cocks? We still hate each other for those reasons, right?
🫸 Focus, Conan 🫷
reddit moment :/
angrily stares at breasts
angrily unzips pants
Ten hour YouTube rant about HR taking our freedom
I cringe whenever I come to the comment sections of these kinds of comics.
I laugh my ass off at the people who defend the comics. I piss myself laughing at people like you.
good thing I’m taking my post new year dump.
Sighs tiredly.
I don’t like blocking. I appreciate a good shitpost or argument. I like seeing all the denizens of the Fediverse, in its entirety (not that I’m upstanding or anything). I have like 5K comments, apparently, amongst no telling how many tankie threads and AI psycosis posts and rants and toxic spirals. And worse.
But I had a high school friend that made comments almost exactly like this, who’d only say it’s a joke (or shitpost) if called out. He just so happened to treat girlfriends like meat.
What’s the point in engaging with that? It’s not interesting.
So here’s my first user block on Lemmy.
Maybe I’m just over-reacting in a weird moment. Anyway, have a good new year, GreenKnight23.
Maybe I’m just over-reacting in a weird moment.
you are. it’s a block list, not a fucking wedding registry. you’re not my first, won’t be my last.
I’ve never really understood this sort of comparison. Boobs are a secondary sexual characteristic whereas the genitals are a primary one. Men have more sexual characteristics than just their dicks and can literally do chest cleavage too, like a loose open button down shirt. Plenty of women go crazy for that. We just don’t societally obsess over or police it like we do women’s bodies/breasts.
I wear these barely buttoned Hawaiian shirts all the time and it makes me feel hot af
They both illicit the same hormonal response regardless of if it’s “secondary.” You could dampen that response by normalizing women being topless, but you could also normalize complete nudism and achieve the same thing for primary sexual characteristics…
It’s just a subjective line we draw. It could be my sexual trauma speaking but I’d personally rather we make the line even between sexes than move it down.
Not sure if you’re using a speech-to-text thing that chose the wrong homophone but “illicit” and “elicit” have different meanings. If something is illicit, it’s against the rules. Something elicited is brought forth.
I associate “illicit” with “illegal” and “elicit” with “evoke” and, even if it’s not an exact match for both meanings, it’s close enough to get to the right one.
Yeah, maybe this comic isn’t the same, but my problem with the “my eyes are up here” thing is that men and women alike know that breasts are a turn on for some people and yet they wear a shirt/skirt exposing them and then get angry when the people attracted to them are caught looking. If you don’t want men/women looking at your breasts - then maybe don’t expose them.
Na. It is impolite to stare. That’s not news. Doesn’t matter what the other person is or isn’t wearing. The one doing the behavior is responsible for their actions.
Well yea, I don’t think anyone is defending staring. They’re just pointing out the hypocrisy of the few who will do both the, “my eyes are up here” thing to glances and happily wear clothes that show off cleavage and/or curves.
While most individuals understand the mixed results of attraction, there are both hypocrites and some weird sometimes contradictory social norms that say it’s a problem.
“They were dressed all sexy like” isn’t an adequate justification for acting like a lecher. And we shouldn’t normalize it being so.
No one is defending lechery. IMO it should be obvious that people should be allowed to be sexy whilst not implying any level of consent. To think otherwise is to not understand consent in the first place.
Although it should also be obvious that if you wear something out in public, you’re consenting to being viewed in what ever you’re wearing, too. Not that anyone should be staring or snapping pics, either. That’s impolite at best and probably some level of harassment too.
There are obvious boundaries both on what someone has to accept and what someone doesn’t have to accept.
In my opinion, if someone feels it’s impolite to stare, then to someone else it’s impolite to expose. It’s one of the most passive-agressive things to do, being angry at someone who stares when the exposure is intentional.
There’s a specific difference between staring and taking an admiring glance. The former is generally associated with objectification, the latter a shared appreciation. Knowing where that line is makes the difference.
This whole thread is terrifyingly neurotypical. Simply look them dead in the eyes for an entire conversation.
A good chunk of the population is very challenged by such delicate social distinctions. Like upwards of a third. And even among the rest, everyone’s going to draw the line differently. These bright line rules you believe in don’t exist for most people.
Someone can have an attractive face, it’s still impolite to stare. You’re literally advocating that women wear burqas. Logically, if women don’t want to have their faces stared at by creepy men, they should have to cover their faces up.
Just because someone exposes a part of their body doesn’t give you permission to stare at it. It’s impolite to stare at someone’s face, at exposed tattoos, or exposed cleavage. Really it’s simply impolite to stare at anyone’s body.
Otherwise, I hope a really aggressive bear of a gay man joins your workplace and starts obsessively staring at you. If you don’t want him staring at your face obsessively all day, you can simply wear a mask.
it’s still impolite to stare
It’s a free society: anyone can look at any direction consciously or unconsciously. No one has a duty to make others comfortable about it. You can both embrace the mutual discomfort of each other’s existence. Or you can call it impolite as they heedlessly carry on untroubled by the nonsense of it all.
What a bunch of “umm aktually” pseudo-intellectual bullshit.
Since you seem allergic to understanding proper context, realize that we’re obviously talking about proper social etiquette and expected behavior. We’re not talking about legal sanction. That much is obvious from context.
And the idea that we don’t have certain duties in social settings is just absolute horseshit. Yes, we don’t have legal duties here. No one will arrest you for staring. But every person has duties of acceptable social behavior in polite settings. The force of law is not the only, or even the primary, way we have of enforcing social behavior.
You can whine all you want about some theoretical pseudo-intellectual take about how you’re not bound by any law to change your behavior. That still won’t keep you from getting fired for being a creep after you rudely stare at your coworkers’ bodies.
It’s a free society, but that matters for nothing in everyday life. You are largely free to take most actions, but you’re certainly not free from the personal and social consequences of being a perverted creep.
And plenty of people would be offended that you chose this imagery as offensive.
As a straight guy with gay friends, I considered myself finally accepting (or maybe desperate) when I could take the attention of a gay guy as a compliment and be kind about redirecting them
It is impolite to stare.
It’s a free society: people can all gaze in any direction for any reason or no reason. It’s no big deal.
They can look, you can look, you can both share & savor the mutual discomfort of looking. You can call it impolite, call them the devil, and they can just heedlessly carry on untroubled by the absurdity of it all.
They’re not even necessarily looking for the reason you imagine. Their eyes may just blankly face a direction to avoid eye contact as their mind idly wanders.
Agreed. There’s a big difference between looking at and staring at. You can look at or glance briefly as long as you aren’t being a creep, both sides do it. The problem is when people stare or act creepy.
I mean its simple biology. If the shirts are low cut or tight or whatever it draws the eyes. Whether thats the result that was intended or not. Only way to fix it is have everyone be asexual or desexualize a woman’s chest. That would require a societal change.
I am calling bullshit here. This statement is true but the initial commentary is simply bullshit.
So just to be clear you police your friends doing that to men right? I get that shit a lot and they never seem to. Not ever (OK maybe a few but only the unattractive ones like being attractive gives someone an all access pass to being hyper sexual oggling asshats) Not at any public place basically where young women are.
Now im not a typically sexual person, I don’t stare (cause I don’t care about that shit) and I don’t like playing ‘The Game’. And yet. It is crazy persistent now like everywhere. Like you look too much for it to be polite at all. Then look away and talk with friends while side eyeing me. Im looking cause I trained myself to pay attention to the people paying attention to me. Im not smiling at them or ‘sending signals’ not anything just noticing people looking. And im not muting that (and turning my ‘saftey’ off) so they can do all the mating ritual bullshit with me cause they like my eyes or some shit.
Then they look extra. Then look away for a bit pretending they aren’t focused on that shit like some “im not that interested haha but you better not be ignoring me” bs. Then theyre looking fucking MORE and all under the pretense of “sending signals” just like the creep men that are (justifiably) getting flack for that same shit. (I understand the patriarchy and undertones of shit) and I don’t need to express rage or something else (not my job for one, nor is it my prerogative to exhaust my social battery or just having to experience shit emotions so they get there’s basic curtsey that they are ignoring, cause how tf are they gonna take it? Not the way they should I can promise that, and if you say something? They twist shit up to avoid embarrassment or strait up lie or apologize in a way that leaves me exhausted with the bullshit of it being needed to begin (benign or not). Just like asshole men have done forever and are now being condemned for in every media form i see but for some reason they get a pass even though they should know better then most) its something so pointless but to every fucking person that does it over and over and you get upset or irritated about it and they defend their pride by looking at you like you just became a sex offender or danger in their eyes cause “who doesnt want that kind of attention from me” looks/talkback cause you don’t like “The Game” is horseshit and it is the same shameless shit that toxic dudes tell themselves when they do it and is what this entire comic is based around and yet your defending the secondary sexual trait argument instead of seeking to see the nuances of what’s being said?
Fuck off with that shit. Youre barely even right here. Cause women can be just as cowardly and baselessly sexual “if you dont want me to stare don’t show it off” as anybody
In fact they are MORE so in many places now because of this kind of ritualistic excusing of/encouraging of the behavior by their peers without the checks of the anti-male-chauvinist movement (which as a whole I like)
Secondary characteristics. MY ASS is a secondary characteristic and yet your asses drool over it like you just accomplished something anywhere I fucking happen to be.
I don’t see you starring at them correctingly (and with a sense of kindred understanding of it being bad behavior) like we do with men doing that clearly unwanted bullshit, even tho they’re friends or coworkers or family or whatever. Cause I deserve it or smthg for old people being pervs in the past? Cause you dont want to see yourself in the same light as men? Fuck you for that thanks. Rant over. But the point stands.
Are you okay?
Obviously not before, but then people go off then go about the day with my thoughts more organized and my position expressed and its better
Like literally every single other person around.
But hey I do hope you like it, your cowardly, passive aggressive, dismissive and (likely) infantilizing bullshit is exactly why this sort of commentary is necessary today. So get with the shame lady (or man i suppose 🤷)
Thanks for being a prime example 👍
So, no, not even a little. It’s okay, you can work your shit out screaming into the void in my direction - I’ve got thick skin.
(I’m kidding, your ass is about to be blocked. Have a nice life.)
Mhmm, tick tock on that clock, this bullshit has got a limited lifespan, no one cares about your circus but your clown ass and others like you
Good luck being not a dopey coward about it when your granddaughter is embarrassed of your fake ass life lady✌
I am sexually attracted to covered breasts. Your argument is invalid.
“If there are big boobs to be found I will find them no matter what” -Ranta from Grimgar
yep this is why you should never be bare foot around the opposite sex its just inviting weird behavior fuck off with this sexist its their fault shit.
Hmm I’d say the comic could use also that - a pumped up guy with big chest, wearing an exposing shirt and then being angry at people staring at his chest
This is one of my all time favorite comics. The looks on their faces are just perfect.
This is one of my all time favorite comics
I mean, as a bald man I no longer need to answer the question “does the carpet match the drapes?”. Solving problems, the best way.
Unless you also wax the floor
The problem is the reason of women expose part of their breasts. Women do this to attract men but hope only those whom they are into. When the men they are into stare at the breasts, they achieved their goal.
If the wrong group of men stares,
- Resource and time is wasted
- Effort has to be made to reject or even fend off the men
you’re not wrong, but you’re not right either.
women dress provocatively to make themselves feel better about themselves. they want to feel attractive, “sexy”. it’s part of feeling empowered.
that reaction is literally the dumbest though. because it’s literally the exact way to attract attention from anyone who is attracted to “sexy”.
don’t dress provocatively and don’t get oogled. not saying you can’t dress the way you want, but actions have consequences. don’t believe me? try walking into a gas station at 8pm with a hoodie and a ski mask.
Not the same thing at all but whatever men just have to attack anything women experience by inventing a false equivalence that only exists in their fever dreams.
No shit. It’s meant to be funny. It’s close enough to the same thing without being the same thing that it is absurd. Absurdity is a form of humour. I think if you went into this assuming it was funny rather than assuming it was misogynistic, you’d have come to a different conclusion.
Seriously. The men in here don’t even realize (or maybe they do) that they are advocating for the most oppressive forms of forced body covering out there.
Simply exposing some piece of flesh does not give others permission to stare. The attitude of the comic is the very same attitude that forces women to wear burqas in conservative Muslim countries. After all, if you don’t want your face and hair stared at and creeped over, why wouldn’t you just cover your face and hair?
All art is a deeply subjective and personal experience, both in the creation and in the viewing. Your comment speaks volumes about what this piece of artwork evokes inside you.
For me, it evoked a pleasant chuckle. I saw a socially inept man first making a woman uncomfortable with his staring, then trying to garner similar attention in a misguided way. I didn’t see anyone oppressing anyone, no burqas or toxic masculinity. Just a silly joke.
Thank your lord that isn’t a thing.
I could dig it, I support equality and fashion liberation. My ideal world would normalize men wearing dresses and women wearing big orbital rings, which are lame.
For the record, I want equality too. But, I don’t want either gender showing off cleavage of any kind at the office.
For the record I too want equality but I want both Genders to go strictly naked to the office.
Depends on what the job is, I guess
Welding.
Fair and respectable.
Clearly never been to a gay bar
Granted it’s been many years, but even when I had bar yo gay bars this was not a thing. And even if it were, I wouldn’t care. I just don’t want it (or boob cleavage) in the work place.
It’s not a thing even at gay bars. Could you imagine? lol I know we’re known for our sexual culture, but we do have boundaries.
Yet!
Oh your god! I’m so embarrassed, I wish everyone else was dead!
what??
Hmm. He’s trying to make some kind of point, but only succeeds in making himself look like a jackass. There’s a lot of that going around.
QED
Another proud incel meme…
Another proud incel meme…
Go through your comment history and look at how often you use the word “incel”.
You know how all those religious zealots and politicians call out behavior of others and then get caught doing the same thing? Yeah, that’s called projection
Where there’s smoke, there’s fire and I quite sure you are projecting.
I was curious so I looked. I skimmed 5 pages and barely saw the word at all. Am I missing something?
Thanks for saving our time!
I only found two comments in their entire comment history. 🤷♂️ Looks like an empty accusation for something they didn’t like to hear.
Not that it matters, particularly since “karma” isn’t even tracked here, but instead of answering the question they also downvoted us both.
Which means that they definitely saw the request for clarification, and opted not to do so.
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