I’d love to roll back to Linux but my GPU and the drivers don’t get along very well.
Did this last May & haven’t missed much. I don’t play AAA slop though.
I’m thinking about going dual boot mode soon, as Manjaro is a godsend so far on my ThinkPad.
Which distro did you end up going with? Wanted to change my tower over from Windows. Guessing bazzite is appropriate?
Not OP. Around same timeline. Went with bazzite for gaming. Have been using bazzite daily since. Stuff just works super easy to install. Also tried and have mint still installed on another partition but haven’t used it much besides the initial installation. And installed dual boot bazzite and mint on my old gaming laptop. Use mint on there daily for internet browsing and such, no gaming. But I’m certain it would work just fine as it’s all pretty much the same besides Debian (mint) Vs Fedora (bazzite).
I don’t play AAA slop either, and a few older easy anti cheat games don’t work. Such as Fawkes revival of Defiance.
Everything else works pre installed with Steam+ proton, Or Ludis + wine, Or the Heroic launcher for GoG, Amazon and EGS.
I do get higher FPS and better temps and less hardware usage than I ever did on Win11 for the same exact games.
Arch was described as hard mode but I installed EndeavourOS with KDE Plasma about a month and a half ago and it’s been smooth sailing. Given all the programs I use have native linux clients and I don’t play kernel level anti-cheat games at all.
I switched to Linux full time almost two years ago when Win 10 started saying my CPU wasn’t supported. My CPU is in the i7 family and I think they all got that treatment. Since then I’ve had no major issues with Linux Mint. As for gaming, I do get some frame drops with my Nvidia 3060, but I was getting the same on Windows.
For what it’s worth, the “i7” branding isn’t a family, but a tier representation.
So basically it goes like:
i3 = basic i5 = midrange i7 = high end i9 = top end
The first i7s released way back in 2010, so some older i7 chips are not supported by Windows 11 while newer ones (2018 and onwards) are.
But yeah, use Linux :)
88 comments and nobody has noted that the article itself looks like AI slop?
Lots of signals here: the writing style, bland and wishy-washy use of statistics, bullets and formatting that arbitrarily organize without adding value, the rule-of-threes clauses, and redundant details, the intro summary list, the lack of sourcing links, and “written” by an author whose bio specifically mentions AI.
I specifically looked for backup to the assertion about higher FPS and it’s just a random unsourced percentage. Maybe it’s true but this article has no value as a source.
God damn slop fuckin everywhere. Tnx man.
I honestly hated W11 so much that I jumped onto Linux whether I’d be gaming on it or not.
It runs great, but even if it didn’t I wouldn’t go back.
You couldn’t pay me to move to Linux.
Sucks to be you.
Maybe he does it for free.
Nah. Everything works and I don’t have to deal with linux bros.
Everything works? On Windows?
Now I know your comments are just bait.
Then stop taking the bait.
Nah. Everything works. You guys like to invent problems and say that nothing will ever work yet… Windows is still the most used operating system because it just does. I’ve never had a problem with Windows that I couldn’t fix by a restart. It’s almost like not everyone using the operating system wants to do the inane bullshit that Linux users do and some of us want to just have it do the bare minimum.
But good to know that literally any differing opinion to your own is classified as ‘bait’. Another reason to avoid Linux users at all costs.
Lol just recently Microslop broke the shutdown function.
I click start, I click shutdown, it shuts down. So unless you are talking about some obscure shit that no one really uses, that’s a lie.
I know this is bait but literally just web browsing on a windows desktop 2 days ago made it bluescreen. W10 even, so can’t even blame the shitshow that is W11.
I guess it goes for your argument though of stuff that can be fixed with a reboot… 🙃
Yeah. Sure it did.
I mean it fixed the problem automatically, didn’t it? /s
And yet when I use it things break. You guys always act like it doesn’t happen, but it does.
I’d rather have a system that works, is uncomplicated, and requires no maintenance. Where I don’t need to constantly paste shit into a command line to get stuff to work, try system restores, etc.
Funny to see a Star Trek reference in your name and then the comment below is simping for an evil trillion dollar company while shitting on the collective collaborative efforts of the many, too. Talk about missing the point.
“Paste shit into a command line to get stuff to work”
Like Linux? Or did I just pick a crappy distro as a beginner? On Nobara OS I couldn’t get a onedrive folder to work without konsole, and the one were setup was simple enough to work, I’m having bugs with files not syncing.
A case could be made that I should use some Linux focused cloud with a flatpack install, but I can’t since my uni relies on MS. Admittedly, an issue because of their monopoly, but one that makes switching an effort for normal people anyways.
People like you make the world a living hell
Yes. I make the world a living hell for avoiding toxicity.
No joke, good for you. Linux has its problems and even though I think they’re worth going through a lot of people don’t. That’s ok. But you can’t deny Windows has its own problems :P
None that I’ve encountered that have been remotely as severe as the ones I encountered while using Linux.
Then you made a good choice sticking with Windows.
Yeah. Sort of my point. The vast majority of users will never encounter problems severe enough to cause switching to a backwards OS
Oh I completely disagree. There are severe enough issues for users to switch to Linux, they’re just not severe enough for you.
Why?
Linux Bros are the most intolerable group of technousers on the internet. The constant bickering at literally every OS outside of Linux and then the endless bitching inside of it about which distro you should use. Then there’s the fact that Linux is not remotely intuitive to use and everytime I’ve tried to switch in the past just requires constant searching of obscure forums to get the information that I need on how to run what I’m trying to, only to be met with the same whiny bullshit about using the wrong distro or not doing something the right way.
The OS is a nightmare to use for people who don’t want to have to learn everything over from scratch, something that Linux users seem incapable of grasping, and the people using it have never once made me feel like I am welcome to using it but that I should avoid them at all costs.
That’s why you couldn’t pay me. Because then I’d have to be dealing with sycophants.
Does it change your opinion that microsoft and apple are using your comfortability with using their systems to prevent competition and lock you into a system that over time keeps violating your privacy more while gives you less freedom in how you want to use it?
It is not comfortability keeping me on windows. It is the fact thag Linux does not work adequately without work that should have already been done, forcing you to do it, and the fanboys of Linux make the entire ecosystem seem toxic as fuck. Your question is based off of an incorrect assumption.
“I don’t like the most outspoken people who like it” isn’t exactly a rational reason to inform one’s choices in Tech, more so given that you don’t actually have to be in contact with such people to use that Tech.
It’s like refusing to play a single player game because there are fanboys for that game on the Internet.
If making your choices by following a random crowd of people you don’t even know personally and don’t even have to talk to is the most low-self confidence imature thing one can do, making your choices by setting yourself in opposition to a random crowd of people you don’t even know personally and don’t even have to talk to is the second most low-self confidence imature thing one can do.
Why the fuck should you care about their opinion either way? They do they, you do you.
I’d like you to go ahead and read my comment again so you can see the other reasoning there too instead of just hyper focusing on one part and neglecting the rest.
Or don’t. Could not give less of a fuck.
Ima do me. You do you.
All of your points apply equally to Windows (unless you are a corporate client).
I have literally never encountered a Windows Bro who says how awesome Windows is and how you should totally use it and it’s the best option and anything else is trash. No. They do not apply equally to Windows because Windows users don’t fucking care. That’s the difference. I don’t give a shit what OS I use as long as it works which is why Windows works well enough and why the constant arguments about switching don’t make sense. It works, unlike all the whiny complaints to the alternative. In my entire life I’ve never had Windows fuck up something that I didn’t actively cause myself. Switching to Linux when it’s filled with salivating cultists over some ones and zeros and who actively get off and bitching about Windows at every possible opportunity? Oh yeah. THose are some people I really wanna hang out with.
Hard pass.
You can switch to Linux without having to hang out with Linux Bros. I use both OS and don’t hang out with either.
Mac fans are a different story.
Everything works.
I’ve never had a problem with Windows that I couldn’t fix by a restart.
Windows is still the most used operating system because it just [works].
not everyone using the operating system wants to do the inane bullshit that Linux users do and some of us want to just have it do the bare minimum.
I have literally never encountered a Windows Bro who says how awesome Windows is and how you should totally use it and it’s the best option and anything else is trash.
Have you never met them because… it’s you? Have I solved the trick question? :-)
Nah. Because I’m not saying how awesome it is. I’m not saying that windows is amazing and how everyone should switch. I’m not suggesting that windows or Microsoft is better. I don’t idolize gates like y’all do Torvalds.
No trick question here. They literally don’t exist. If windows actually stopped working for me then I’d switch but it doesn’t for the vast majority of people.
Y’all just gotta lie and invent problems to justify your desperate notion that this year will be the year of Linux when no one wants to be around you.
Excuse me, If these Linux users weren’t so autistic they’d be very upset.
I have literally never encountered a Windows Bro who says how awesome Windows is and how you should totally use it and it’s the best option and anything else is trash.
That’s probably true, but that’s not really a selling point.
“This is better because literally nobody likes it. Nobody recommends it. It’s great to use something people barely tolerate because they don’t know better”
Cool. I’m not here selling windows though. I’m just saying why I’ll never use Linux. Weird that none of you can tell the difference.
Haven’t said you’re selling it. I even said nobody is. Weird you didn’t understand.
I moved to Linux entirely because of how shit Windows is, but I do not, in general, get higher fps. It’s very case-by-case, but in general, my performance seems to be ever so slightly worse.
Gaming in particular seems to be the same, with few games having noticeable differences either way.
Productivity wise, it’s night and day. On Linux I can run simulations while doing other stuff, on windows I had to have a freshly rebooted session with nothing else opened and leave it alone for hours to, maybe, run without crashing.
I haven’t personally compared Linux performance to WIndows in 10 years. The last vesrion of Windows I used was 8.1. The games I want to play run very well on my Ryzen 7700X, 7900GRE system running Fedora. Subnautica and Satisfactory run great. I don’t care if Windows gets a few fps more, because my computer actually works and doesn’t show me ads in the taksbar or sends everything I paste in a word processing document to the cloud. I get 144 FPS with raytracing in Unreal 5 games. What’s your problem?
It tends to be AMD GPUs that have the greatest differences in favour of Linux (except for ray tracing but that is improving in recent driver releases).
I probably hate Microsoft roughly as much as most people here but in a lot of ways Windows is way more polished than Linux. The second you try something “unconventional” in Linux the shit is going to hit the fan. Fractional scale DPI - half the apps crap their pants. On screen keyboard - and don’t get me started with OSK over Firefox in kiosk mode (for example in touch screen settings). Also try to make a custom shortcut on your gnome desktop to run some application with some arguments without writing config files in random directories you have to Google and reloading some configs via a terminal.
Microsoft really went downhill fast and certainly adds a lot of crap to windows lately, but sadly in the Linux world we don’t have 1-3 well polished distros, we have hundreds of them. All good at one or two things, but suck at everything else. There a so many options the choice alone is probably the biggest reason everyday people will not switch to Linux if their device doesn’t already come with Linux. Even people thinking about switching end up with analysis paralysis because everybody tells them stuff like, try it - if you don’t like it try something else. As if they have nothing better to do than trying Linux distros all day long.
You say Linux, but I think you’re talking about Gnome specifically. I’d recommend trying KDE and seeing how it handles your problems. You can install multiple DEs and see what works best for you.
I get what you are saying and maybe I’ll find some time to do that, but I hope you also see the irony in an answer like that, because the typical user couldn’t care less about Gnome vs KDE.
The typical user couldn’t care less about Windows VS Linux, but it makes it difference. I don’t know that it fixes the issues, but it might. It’s also an option you have because you’re on Linux, not Windows. You get a choice, and can figure out what works for you. It isn’t ironic, because that why you choose Linux. If you don’t want a choice and just want the garbage MS puts out, you don’t need to make any more choices. If you want options then you need to actually make choices too (though most aren’t permanent, like DEs, and you can swap between them).
Gnome works completely fine. It’s probably the most bug-free DE I’ve ever used. And yes I use fractional scaling.
The majority of people probably can’t even get over the hump of imaging a USB drive.
I like to think of the average person as my mom. Can my mom plug in a flash drive in a computer? Yeah. Does she know what Linux is? Nope. Can she google about Linux? Yeah. Will she get confused and inundated with the hundreds of “linux” versions? Uh yeah.
And then if she does somehow download a .iso, she’d probably copy and paste the .iso onto the flash drive and have no idea what Rufus or Balena Etcher is.
And to be honest, most people don’t even need a computer nowadays. Their smart phones does everything. There is no need to have a computer anymore.
This is exactly the type of shit I’ve been trying to explain to the Linux fanboys for years and all of them dismiss outright.
Until simple shit like this is easy for the average person, Linux will never replace Windows as a default OS option for regular users. 99% of people are scared of config files and the terminal, and they’re still just too commonly needed in every distro.
A LOT of work has been done to minimize it, but there’s always still basic functionality that just isn’t in the GUI. That’s not an issue for most of us here… But it is for most people. Fediverse users are a small minority.
Yup. Hi. I’m one of those people. Everytime I’ve tried to use Linux in the past has come with a massive headache and constant googling to figure out the bare minimums. Windows? Literally holds your hand and just works. Any issues I’ve had with windows I can solve in a single google. I’ve got to delve into obscure forums and try to piece shit together on my own for Linux and I am not about to make my home PC a fuckin homework problem just to use.
Config files and terminals? Huh? Why would you need any of that
You would have to run OpenSUSE tumbleweed to get the GUI equivalent of windows configuration.
Yast has a GUI app for everything from Samba setup to Bootloader config.
The trouble is: initially there is a learning curve to SUSE that is different than something like Mint
What do you use the terminal and config files for? I mainly use bazzite now but after a fresh install the most I do is login to steam and change some settings in Firefox. I copy paste my directory settings for imports on darktable to point to my nas but thats probably the most advanced thing I do
What do you use the terminal and config files for?
Excuses for staying on windows, primarily.
Also try to make a custom shortcut on your gnome desktop to run some application with some arguments without writing config files in random directories you have to Google and reloading some configs via a terminal.
Dafuck. I will have to google it in Windows too. And no, I doubt Win experience is going to be any better, unless there is a “download some .exe from random site and run it to install GUI program” shortcut, which itself is a questionable thing to do (ok-ok, Microslop taught too many people that it should be OK)
Buut
everyday people will not switch to Linux if their device doesn’t already come with Linux
Been thinking/saying this all along. Terminal and different way of doing things is not an obstacle, just walk into nearest computer store and see what OS they come with. Then ask a question whether some, say, doctor is going to even ask if <whatever OS is pre-installed> is the best choice for them. Lots of people have lots of more important things to do :)
To make a shortcut on your desktop on windows. Right click element -> shortcut on desktop. To change arguments: right click shortcut -> Properties. Done. No try to explain how gnome does it in a comment 🤣
Spoiler 1: I don’t use gnome
Clown
That linked thread is about keyboard shortcuts btw, not at all what this conversation is about. Which would be creating a link (called shortcut on windows) on the desktop that executes a program with some custom parameters.
And which got removed from GNOME. Plus one point for not using it
Linux-bad-because-my-windows-ways-do-not-work is still laughable
Yeah. Generally Indie games run better while AA do not.
Then again there is the whole overhead with wine and game companies benchmark windows exclusively while optimizing currently.
WINE has very little overhead because WINE Is Not and Emulator. It’s just a translation layer. The performance difference in games will typically come from it being faster if run with Vulkan or not.
In a well-optimized case, Linux will consume fewer resources and is more effective at task prioritization, so it will be better. If Windows outperforms Linux, it is due to the game optimizing around Windows. Granted, across the entire suite of games, the two tend to cancel each other out rather equally.
I experience no worse fps than I would on windows. I have star citizen running better on linux then I did on the same windows machine. To each their own I guess.
I just reinstalled COD WWII recently and it really does run like shit. Framerate problems that need restarts, poor performance, the sound cuts off if it’s through HDMI for some reason.
Did they ever fix the RCE exploit in WW2?
What’s that?
Hot and miss for sure. I have had games run better than on windows, and also worse. But there are too many other pros to running Linux to make me happy I’m not running windows.
In my experience, windows made gaming almost impossible. Stuttering and crashes and sometimes even ARTIFACTS were a constant. But Linux just works OOTB
Most things seem to run fine for me on linux, but sadly Elden Ring runs a good 10 fps slower than it ran on windows for me.
Title implies a big move, pretty far from the steady growth their sources say and that they explain throughout the article. But I guess a more honest title like “Linux among gamers sees new record after continuous steady growth” isn’t as click-worthy.
PC Gamers keep Abandoning Windows 11 for Linux with Higher FPS & Fewer Interruptions
Tossed SteamOS onto my Legion Go last week, and the performance is sooooo much better. I was beginning to wonder why they used such a sharp resolution screen on it because Windows wouldn’t run games very well at the max resolution.
I saw in a recent Youtube video that between web services and AI, Windows licencing is only about 10% of Microslop’s business.
IDK if that number is true, but it sure would explain how much they’ve put into user experience. Does anyone use Windows because they like it?
i like windows 7
I saw in a recent Youtube video that between web services and AI, Windows licencing is only about 10% of Microslop’s business.
That’s correct. Here’s some data on Microsoft’s revenue:
40% Server Products and Cloud Services 22% Office Products and Cloud Services 10% Windows 9% Gaming 7% LinkedIn 5% Search and News AdvertisingIDK if that number is true, but it sure would explain how much they’ve put into user experience.
It does but it’s really short-sighted from MS’s part. Sure, Windows might be only 10% of its business, but the other 90% heavily rely on it. Or rather on Windows being a monopoly on desktop OSes; without that people Windows servers, Office and MS “cloud services” (basically: we shit on your computer so much you need to use ours) wouldn’t see the light of the day.
Also: even if they are not directly connected, the fact that one monopoly crumbles might result in the next one falling apart too. Someone who successfully got out of Windows might try to ditch their MS365 subscription too.
I don’t think companies are going to ditch their MS365 subscriptions. That would mean getting rid of Outlook and Teams, and that ain’t happening anytime soon.
There are a lot of companies that have migrated to Google and only kept a few Office licenses for cases that MSWord is imperative in order to do properly their job (eg. exchange documents with third parties that only accept docx and the compatibility with GDocs is not perfect).
It depends on the cost and other factors used to sweeten the deal.
And w.r.t. Teams, I never had a good experience with it (regarding virtual meetings), meanwhile I never had an issue with Google Meet.
I don’t think companies are going to ditch their MS365 subscriptions. That would mean getting rid of Outlook and Teams, and that ain’t happening anytime soon.
Can someone more technical than me tell me why Outlook is so awesome for work? I use Outlook 365 for work, and the search function is ass. G-suite worked better on the front end, so I’m wondering about the back end.
Brand recognition. Offices and businesses have been using a version of Outlook for decades.
Just that calendar and email are all in one. I know Thunderbird and Evolution mail have the same features too, its just MS office often came with the systems. And yeah outlook search is the absolute worst. I have literally has the email visible in the mail history and search for it won’t find it, not by title or content.
It’s just a recognizable brand, and it’s often bundled with the other things businesses are already buying in the Office suite. (think: Teams, Word/PowerPoint/Excel/etc)
The interesting bit is that these businesses are almost always using their custom domain for emails… which means if they wanted to switch from Outlook to another provider, and they linked their domain to that new provider, there is then zero switching cost outside the time to sign everyone up for accounts on the new provider and transfer old emails over, since all the emails directed at their domain would just go to the new provider.
Emails also come in standardized formats that can be downloaded and transferred to a new provider, too.
I genuinely have faith that businesses will begin switching away as the cost becomes harder and harder to justify.
there is then zero switching cost outside
Tell me again how you’ve never supported an email service migration. I’m delighted that you haven’t, but it’s obvious.
Also, I love when people pull a “draw the rest of the owl” with tech they’ve never been up in the guts of.
Emails also come in standardized formats that can be downloaded and transferred to a new provider, too.
Oh, you sweet sweet thing. I remember when I believed that technical specs were reliable and things were interoperable because documentation said they were.
I can still see their tears.
Maybe it truly is that easy with other providers to switch from one to another, but Outlook, and especially the Exchange backend underneath (both the effectively discontinued self-hosted server version and the Azure-managed Exchange Online) are a special kind of jank.
There isn’t a special layer or kind of hell for whoever designed it. There isn’t even a specific hell in and of itself.
Whatever exists after death for the designers of Outlook and Exchange is something so much worse than hell that it’s categorically different from anything able to be conceptualized by humans. We don’t have words to even begin to describe the gulf between comprehendable human thought and what awaits for them.
In the hypothetical situation Windows desktop monopoly is over, there’ll be at least some internal pressure to do so. Cost of switch (in money = work hours) might be a pain, but if they believe they’ll profit more by using some competitor that is not Windows exclusive, they’ll eventually do it.
Imagine having to babysit Windows servers
Azure has support for Linux servers. They’ve even made an effort to port Dotnet to Linux. A majority of their cloud infrastructure is Linux it seems.
That 40% isn’t for Windows Server, is it?
I had to dig through their annual report to find it:
Server products and cloud services revenue growth
Revenue from Server products and cloud services, including Azure and other cloud services; SQL Server, Windows Server, Visual Studio, System Center, and related Client Access Licenses (“CALs”); and Nuance and GitHub
So it includes Windows Server, but it’s way more than just that.
I did back in the XP days. Long, loooong ago…
XP was alright, but I’m mostly just nostalgic for the aesthetic of 95/98/2000
Vista was the reason I switched to Linux
I’m mostly just nostalgic for the aesthetic of 95/98/2000
Boy, have I got some KDE themes for you!
This was the same era when I tried to switch, due to the shittiness of Vista. I wanna say it was Mandrake Linux was what I was trying to use, but I couldn’t get it running correctly on my hardware.
Came back some time later and discovered Mepis Linux. After that, I never went back.
I wouldn’t be surprised. Desktop revenue has been a pretty small slice for their revenue long before AI was a thing. Their main drivers were server products and O365, and now AI and Azure are also pushing a lot of revenue.
Direct revenue through Windows sales might be low, but I suspect Windows is still important to drive people to buy One Cloud, office 365 etc subscriptions. So when people move away to Linux, the other services should become less profitable with some time delay
Most likely. The majority of MS products and services are interconnected in some way.
I don’t think the number is indicative of quality. The office suite is their bread and butter (alongside Azure) and Teams is a steaming pile of shit.
none of the other popular desktop operating systems cost money at all. I don’t know why Microsoft is doing half of the things that it does
What does Bill Gates have to do with Windows nowadays?
Mascot
Dude is retired and giving his money away.
So “the year of the Linux desktop” is just around the corner? Again?
… and all it took was to wait for windows to become unbearably shitty?
Linux will never become popular till it’s as easy to use as something like VLC. Download, install, and it runs everything. Until this happens, Linux will never take over no matter how unbearably shitty Windows becomes.
It was always going to. People are fundamentally lazy. Until something becomes a need, far too many are going to sit around and whine instead.
Leave it to Linux bros to shit on people who are finally moving to Linux.
The primary reason I do not want to move to Linux is because I do not want my home PC to contain homework problems for basic usage. People can say it’s gotten better all they want but not by enough. I have to google constant shit to figure out the basics. But the secondary reason is that Linux fanboys are typically unbearable. It’s just hatred and bickering. Either they’re bitching at Windows or they’re bitching about another Distro or bitching about something else. I don’t want to deal with this shit everytime something goes wrong in Linux and I have to go figuring out what happened. If I use Windows the only shit I’ll get are from Linux bros whining. Anyone else using Windows will just shrug. Linux bros feel way too culty for me to ever engage in the operating system.
I’m not shitting on “people moving to linux”. I’m shitting on people in general, and you know I’m right, so get out of here with this accusatory misreading trash.
Just because you’re right it doesn’t mean I like it! /jk
Every year is the year of Linux. :-)
It is true, and it’s how I got pushed toward Linux after W10 update turned my wife’s laptop into an unusable OS, and my work update made our CAD software noticably slower. Linux on both machines brought life back to them.
