no it isnt. we keep hearing this and no, they never have a massive upgrade. that project doesnt do massive. that’s not how it’s ever be run. its stable, predictable, sane, but ugly things we have all hated forever will never be massively revamped in a single update.
I love GIMP and no amount of tedious naysaying will ever change my mind
I did a few tutorials years ago. I realized that the way it did things was different from Photoshop and, in some ways, better. I could appreciate some of the design choices.
The problem is that most people learn PS first and then don’t learn Gimp at all, and then when they find out Gimp doesn’t work like Photoshop, they decide that it sucks.
Same! It’s great! And weird. But mostly great!
Yo same!
I’ve been using it for decades.
If they’d make the macroing system idiot proof, maybe talk to some portrait photographers about how they use Photoshop and help them achieve their workflows, they could seriously shut down some Adobe.
Use Krita instead. It has a big tiddy anime waifu right on the splash screen.
If they add the feature to set white point in the level tool I’m there. Last I checked they had some bullshit brush-off about how it wasn’t relevant because it’s designed for drawing or some bollocks.
Sorry that my sketches were on paper that wasn’t pure white, I guess?
Different project scope tho.
Krita does not support random niche format like GIMP.
Yes but the UI is 💯 easier to use.
The number 1 problem with GIMP is poor UI in my experience.
Now you got me.
The UI needs a global overhaul since the day one and still nobody talks about it
I can do loads of stuff despite GIMP’s efforts to stop me.
@BlackLaZoR @Vosh I think lots of people talk about it. :)
We have a dedicated UX site for people share to feedback on that very topic, which we try to implement as we can: https://gitlab.gnome.org/Teams/GIMP/Design/gimp-ux/-/work_items
The hope is that over time, designers will get more comfortable and work on larger design challenges (like how new code contributors start small and hopefully grow to develop more complex features)
I’ve been using Photo Gimp plugin with it for years. Otherwise the interface would be an absolute mess.
I used to work in schools IT and I managed to get a lot of FOSS tools into regular use amongst both staff and students; Audacity, Libre Office, Firefox, even Debian in a few IT labs… but the one that never stuck was GIMP because no teacher is going to tell their class they’ll be using GIMP today.
I know this is a tired point and will probably never be fixed, but that name causes more problems than anything else.
proffessors could say “we’ll be using Gnu Image processing” or “Gnu Imp” if they wanted to get lame about it. The real big knoggin move is to just call it GIMP and silently dare your students to act like children
Tell me you’ve never tried to control a class of teenagers without telling me you’ve never tried to control a class of teenagers.
What puritanism does to a mf
I tried Debian for two hours and said fuck this and I went straight back to Ubuntu. I might try it again when I know more about it. For now I’m still very much a noob. Debian’s still Ubuntu’s boring cousin to me and I’m working on making it the fun one I want to invite over.
Well shit, I never cared about the name but this convinced me because adoption and teaching about FOSS matters more.
I only learned about this “negative connotation” from people yelling about how GIMP name is bad.
This is always interesting to hear because as someone who went school in a non English speaking country, GIMP was obviously never an issue. In most of the world the name isn’t an issue.
I only learned about that alternative meaning years later.
monkey paw curls, we keep it gimp but pronounce it gimp
gimp
G I M P
G(ee) I (A)M P(ee)
…
How dare you make me sound that out in my head.
Could you eli5 why gimp doesn’t work as a name, i genuenly don’t know…
It’s a derogatory term as well as a BDSM term.
Is it derogatory?
Definitely thought it was a humiliation thing
Ahhh ok noted
Genuine question, how did you know BDSM but not gimp?
One can know about a general topic and not know the details of the topic.
I’ve been using GIMP for over a decade. It’s slowly starting to become one of the leading sources of frustration in my computing life. The more I learn about it the less it makes any sense.
Not trying to be negative here. Just saying that a modernization is much needed and I’m really excited for this.
Try FreeCAD if you really want to suffer.
FreeCAD had improved massively since the recent 1.0 release, unlike GIMP…
Honestly I switched to Inkscape more and more. Especially for logos.
ironically i find inkscape vastly more intimidating than gimp, inkscape’s interface is barely comprehensible at all whereas gimp is just slightly clunky.
For occasional paths, I agree with you, but when you really start needing deeper vector work, you either get pushed into inkscale or you end up brute forcing it.
It took me only 20 years to convince myself to Inkscape more. But it’s worth it. 😅
Krita for the win if you just need the drawing part. Left Gimp long time ago for Krita and never looked back.
they better add a fucking draw circle tool istg
it exists lol, just make a circle selection and then “stroke selection”
It is okay to say that GIMP can technically do this, and also that it needs a straight up circle tool. Not having a live preview of what you are doing is not good UX in this situation.
“GIMP can technically do this” should be its tagline.
That’s how I felt when I discovered non-destructive layer transformations are (technically) possible
Or, hear me out, a tool that draws a circle.
Still bothered it doesn’t have a preview tho
@janus2 @Vosh You’ll be happy to know it’s in the cards. Proof of Concept now that we have vector layers: https://fosstodon.org/@CmykStudent/116455148076446506
I haven’t touched it lately since a new contributor was interested in implementing it, but one way or the other I hope to get it into 3.4.
I’ve always wanted to see gimp on the same level of blender.
Blender is astounding at how much it can do, but boy does it feel like a project that suffered major scope creep. There seems to be years worth of “but what if it could also do this?” attached to it. As a novice Blender user I still find the UI incredibly difficult to work with.
Leaving this here for Photoshop converts
https://github.com/Diolinux/Photogimp
I use Affinity full time at the moment, but if they ever go paid, I’m running straight to GIMP.
shoutout to diolinux. he does youtube too and is a great advocate for linux and foss.
i completely switched to Affinity suit some 3 years ago at work. I was so excited when the affinity4linux install script dropped. but performance makes it near useless. slow and stuttering.
here is for hoping gimp and inkscape can one day match.
My thing is that I use the iPad app with the pencil. The last time I tried GIMP it was great.
It is shocking how well-designed the Affinity apps feel on the iPad. I’m not entirely fond of everything being stuffed away in menus, but I see why they did it, and overall I’ve rarely felt so positively surprised about pleasant UX.
Now if only they hadn’t been bought by Canva… well, at least I still have my old Affinity 2 Suite.
I’ve recently tried using GIMP again and, as a past detractor, I’ve gotta say it’s improved significantly.
Honestly so much better when they moved away from the “everything is a floating window” interface. I can find stuff now.
I really liked the floating window approach. I don’t mind the new way, but I enjoyed the floaties when they were the default.
There’s a toggle to go back
exactly. i’ve used photoshop professionally and tried gimp then.
gimp is not quite there yet, but the potential can now be seen.
To be fair, Photoshop peaked about 10 years ago and has been steadily getting worse. It’s only a matter of time before they’re neck and neck.
i pin it around the time they turned it into a subscription with CC. is that 10 years ago already?
It was in the ballpark of 2014-15ish IIRC, so a little over ten years
Not to down on them too much but this comment is kind of funny in the context of a 30 year old program.
if you think about it, phones are where the “new” programs actually are.
Related to that, Jacob Boerema has implemented PSD Descriptor import support. Most of our current PSD support has been based on the the public Adobe specification. This document was last updated in 2019 however, and modern PSDs use a relatively undocumented text format called Descriptors to store many features.
The battle tested strategy of only providing old standards to others, like MS does.
Don’t use PSDs? I know people will say, “it’s not as simple as that, they’re industry standard”, but if you say you’ll only accept professional work in an open format, and you’re the client, you have the control to change things.
It’s not about not using PSD.
GIMP is all about letting people to open and edit any image files. Whether it is a medical images format (DICOM), bitmap image only used on smart message, (Nokia’s Over The Air Bitmap), to open experimental niche format (Jeff’s Image Format).
Maybe that’s what it was. It doesn’t necessarily need to be that going forward, as project putlooks anf goals change with time.
Also editing is quite a lot of more work to support than mere viewing. As all tools and actions need to behave correctly - not jusbt the renderer.
And something proprietary can hadly be a “industry standard”. It can be “most common” or a “de facto standard”. But all “industry standards” are by definition open as any industry worth its weight doesn’t rely on or include a single point of failure anywhere within itself.
GIMP is shaping up to be (and actually already is IMO) the best editor out there for nondestructive work.
Does the UX still suck though?
It’s been perfectly fine for years, could certainly be made easier to visually parse but like… it does the job, it works, it’s fine.
Personally, I struggled somewhat until I’ve found the
Search and Run a Commandaction. It’s bound to/on the keyboard by default I think. Otherwise accessible viaMenu > Help > Search and Run a Command.So if I’m clueless where a certain action is in the menu, I just press
/, then type my action as I think it could be named, then try it out. This, together with simply my memory of how to do things, covers 97% of my needs. One time out of 20 or 50 I encounter something that I don’t know, at which point I duckduckgo, and the experience can be much worse.Would you say this flow sucks? Or actually, it’s fine? It’s up to you to decide that.
Using / is awesome. Even if you know where things are in the menu it’s usually quicker to just type the first few letters and smash enter. I use it all the time.
When did it suck?
I’ve been using it professionally for the last 3 years or so and it’s no worse for UX than Photoshop, the ‘industry standard’.
Both GIMP and photoshop are very sophisticated and technical software (although Photoshop is becoming less so I should add).
People who have want a leaner set of tools should have a look at something like Tux Paint.
Maybe its better. I have used it off and on for like, 20 years or more now. It was crap for a looong time.
Nope. You just made the mistake of learning something else first and expecting other tools to match it
There’s a name for this phenomenon: the Software Imprinting Dilemma.
This is me with all CAD software 😭
I started with FreeCAD. Never changed 😉
My way into CAD software was 1. Dealing with DXF editors like QCAD. 2. Trying to tackle parametric CAD, I ran Onshape’s tutorials, they have pretty good technique tutorials, like how to draft a paperclip, that are applicable to most parametric CAD packages. Then learning how FreeCAD’s spreadsheet works.
FreeCAD has a full-on spreadsheet built in, now it’s feature poor compared to Excel or LOCalc but you can store and calculate dimensions there and then use them in the main drawing. Other software has features that accomplish this but it’s not as flexible and familiar as a spreadsheet. FreeCAD has some usability issues but everything else out there is either drawbackware or subscription.
Something new to learn for me. Didn’t know FreeCAD had that.
I’ll warn you now it can get a little tedious, because you refer to the data in a spreadsheet like referencing variables in a Python script. In most fields you can type in a dimension, you can click a formula button or hit the = key and then type in a formula. Or you can reference a cell in a spreadsheet. that might look like “=spreadsheet.A4” for the contents of cell A4.
That isn’t very readable and I don’t trust it not to break if you add rows or columns or whatever, so there’s an Alias function. You can give each individual cell a name. Which is slow and tedious. In the Addon Manager you’ll find some macros, one called EasyAlias which, select a cell, click the EasyAlias button, and the cell to the right of your selected cell gets the contents of the selected cell as an alias. In other words, if Column B is a bunch of labels and column C is the actual data, highlighting B2-B17 and clicking the EasyAlias button will automatically alias C2-C17. That feature should be built-in. There’s also a macro for clicking a dimension, clicking a sketch feature, and then semi-automatically applying a dimension. It’s slightly temperamental but it works faster than typing “Dimensions.notch_height” over and over.
That’s very helpful, thanks
Expecting it to be the exact same and working in an expected way are different. Blender used to select with RMB instead of LMB like every other program in existence, is it really the users fault for finding that stupid?
Following expectations and having a “smooth” workflow is something to aim for unless the standard is really bad. No need to fix what ain’t broken
This is true of pretty much all software. So many people expect to be able to pick up LibreOffice office and use it like they use MS office and then get immediately irritated the button doesn’t look exactly the same and give up.
Yeah butlike, I am using Calc, and I use the arrows, and it just, moves the view instead of which cell is selected, which feels really backwards.
I don’t recall that to be normal.
I had to check because that sounded crazy. So maybe your scroll lock key is on? If so Excel does the same thing.
I got irritated by the differences, but I was more irritated by Microslop, so it was the lesser of two irritants. I mostly figured it out eventually. Finding H2 is always at the bottom of the entire style list though for some fucking reason like there’s no excuse for that kind of mild irritation
You could always move it and submit a pull request. That is one of the beauties of open source!
Y’know what maybe I will. Fuelled by the power of irritation I’ll try and fix it. If anyone’s reading this in a few months and the header tags are in a logical order; you’re welcome
you’re right, but i need people to understand that this is simply not a workable solution for most people. the simple fact is if we want the average person to adopt more open source alternatives, it needs to improve usability even without their help. it’s not really enough to only cater to us power user nerds with “good enough,” and it doesn’t win hearts and minds to handwave complaints and tell people to come back with a patch.
We are talking about software built by, in many cases, volunteers. The only way it will get better, or good enough for the average person, is if those who can help do so. The only real alternative in practice is open source the way IBM, Google, and Oracle do it, and they wouldn’t do that anyway if the volunteers didn’t exist.
I remember a guy telling me back in 2015 or so that Gimp was designed for having 2 monitors. At first I tought it made no sense but some yers after I got the chance to try and it way more comfortable to put all toollboxes in a separate monitor.
That explains a lot of stuff actually
I mean, sort of? I picked up Affinity Photo from Photoshop pretty quick because the UX isn’t crap.
Again, no, because Affinity is more similar to photoshop.
What exactly, is the “crap” part of gimps UX? I never had an issue with it.
Then again I really liked it when all the elements are not in the same space, it is very similar to high production work using multi monitors and having the actual canvas the focus.
All I can offer you is what I’d consider vibes. GIMP looks ‘old’. I don’t mind programs looking dated, but I absolutely mind them looking ‘old’ since that, to me, implies a worse experience compared to ‘dated’. It looks like it crawled out of the education software setting intended for mass adoption and only barely did so.
To be more specific, things like proper spacing between UI elements & UI and text spacing go a longer way than I think most FOSS developers that don’t work with UI expect. Everything feels cramped, like it is pressuring me to know what to do; there is a shocking lack of collapsible menu items and visual distinction is very low when parsing things like selected tool settings. Basic features are also somewhat unintuitive; when I go to drag a slider for opacity, for example, as an end user I don’t think that single clicking and dragging will select the actual numerical value of the slider. I expect to have to double click, otherwise I expect the slider to simply do what I want it to when I left click and drag it left or right.
I don’t think anyone reasonable expects to pick up heavily featured photo manipulation software and simply know exactly how to do as they please, but there are some surefire ways GIMP contributors can clean up GIMP’s UI and UX. I mean no ill will by this, because people who contribute to FOSS do so with their free time and money, but I feel like a lot of software developers and highly computer-literate users think ‘good enough to use for everyone I talk to’ means ‘ready for everyone to use’ and this simply is not true. Talk to any ‘normal person’ in a somewhat young* corporate design environment, for example, and they’ll probably scoff at you if you suggest GIMP measures up to anything Affinity or Adobe. Those people are dicks, but their attitude often comes from a place of valuable opinion. It is not keybindings or solid basic features that they feel is missing, it’s… polish, I suppose? ‘Completeness’? I’m unsure of the right word to use but something about GIMP just feels half baked, visually and feeling-wise at least.
i disagree. i started out on paint shop pro. moved to adobe. and then to affinity.
i have given gimp several chances through the years and it just can’t compete.
As always, it depends what you’re using it for and what your UI expectations are. But for me in particular, some people I’ve worked with, and presumably others, it can definitely “compete”. It does everything I need it to, and my workflow is faster. And I can throw a copy onto any old machine without having to jump through licensing hoops or download a “download manager” or whatever bolt-on shit PS needs these days.
Early on, for me, the killer feature was that it started up about 10x as quickly as PS, so I could start it, work, close it, get on with other work, whereas PS was so drearily slow that I’d leave it running all day rather than wait for it to launch, which meant that I had about half my RAM available for other things. It’s better now, and a lot of that has been obsoleted by faster CPUs and more resources in everyone’s computer, but I still remember how much of a chore it was to use PS.
First thing I always do is set icon scheme to have colors. I don’t know who thought monochrome for the tools was a good idea, but it takes me twice as long to find anything.
which part do you dislike? maybe because it fits my mental model very well, but i find the ui to be very intuitive overall. keyboard shortcuts are also pretty simple…
and there’s some user made config that makes its ui and keybinds work like adobe photoshop if thats what youre used to
Finding things just feels unintuitive. Like I can never find how to do a basic task like cropping. Or resizing a layer, it does shit like grabs the layer under sometimes, ir just resizes the selection box instead of the selection.
I stopped using GIMP for Krita, but it looks like GIMP’s nondestructive has come a long way.
We <3 GIMP
The page 404s
What is the upgrade?
I think that’s the new page : https://testing.gimp.org/news/2026/08/16/dev-update-august-2026/
@Hadriscus @phoenixz Just FYI, that’s from our testing page (note the subdomain), so it’ll give you a 404 again once we push it from drafts to the live site.
ah, the whole thing’s a draft. I understand now
Logo change!
