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    Rightoids are unbelievably predictable. Meet one in public and you could guess everything that comes out of their mouth from the very beginning of the conversation

    Only actual fucking idiots are unable to realize how predictable rightoids are

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    In 2024, everything was already laid out for everybody to see clear as day - Trump1.0, MAGA’s behavior since 2021, Project 2025…

    BTW, in 2016, both Mary Trump and Tony Schwartz predicted Jan 6 21: “If he loses the next election, he won’t go willingly.”

    Ever since Jan 6 21 it’s been crystal clear where this goes if he wins again.

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        It’s not against the constitution for Vance to serve 2 terms as president with Trump as VP, and we all know Trump will cuck Vance to effectively still be acting President.

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    many of his most reckless efforts in his first administration were stymied only because of others in his administration who blocked, delayed or watered down his aims to ensure that he could not put himself above the law or the country.

    I often wonder what would have happened if his first term was unleashed. Eg if McCain voted yes to dismantle ACA. If Trump got his way the first time, would he have gotten in the second?

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      If Trump had gotten his way the first time, we’d be in a fascist dictatorship that is 9 years old now instead of one.

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      tbf, an america politician actually honestly lating out what the intend to do and then carrying out is a massive outlier

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    The people who needed to be convinced think the New York Times is globalist propaganda. If they even noticed the existence of this article they would assume it was a made up smear campaign against Dear Leader.

    Also, our media (even the “liberal media”) is part of the problem. For example, they did such a terrible job explaining Trump’s attempts to steal the 2020 election that to this day even many anti-Trump Americans don’t understand how fucked up it was.

    The primary blame is on the sociopaths in charge and the troglodytes who voted them in, but there is plenty of guilt to go around.

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      The biggest lie of them all is the “Liberal” in liberal media

      All American media is essentially fascist, they’ve proven this beyond a doubt

      If there were even a HINT of an ALLEGATION that Biden or Obama were party to INFANTICIDE they would have burned DC to the ground. Now all the US media outlets are just participating in the damage control operation

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      I worked in news media in the Bush years and I got to see first hand how our national news promoted the lies coming from the Bush administration and helping spearhead support for an Iraq invasion.

      The media has been a problem for a long time.

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        NYT endorsed Iraq invasion even though there was no evidence of WMDs and the rest of the world was against it. Surprise, no WMDs were found.

        Interestingly, some companies did steal billions upon billions of dollars and we blew the national debt up. Strange that outcome …

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          NYT also sat on the story about NSA wiretapping US citizens for over a year at the behest of the Bush admin. Later, DNI Clapper would deny that spying on Americans happened “wittingly,” a denial which would push Edward Snowden to leak information thst proved otherwise.

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        I’m still pretty pissed off about that. It’s when I learned that a huge number of my fellow citizens are really stupid. Covid was when I learned that they’re also hateful pieces of shit.

        Freedom fries, you guys. Woohoo.

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        Iraq II - Shock and Awe was definitely a huge part of my political awakening. I’m still saddened (but no longer amazed) that more people didn’t figure it out at the time, and that so many still haven’t figured it out.

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          The pride I never had, the nationality that I never felt
          Saddam was bad, and the American’s even more so
          They made me grow like i was missing part of my torso
          But I never picked up a grenade in my garden
          I never saw people I love die starving
          I never saw my family die through many years of sanctions
          While the rulers family lived in palaces and mansions
          Never had a family member kidnapped for a ransom
          I never lost a friend to violence that was random
          Bombings, occupation, torture, intimidation
          A million dead people doesn’t equal liberation

          https://youtu.be/nOg8Roq8CtY

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          People still think the NYT is some left leaning (or even “far left” in some circles) source. It’s fucking absurd.

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      I don’t recall the media covering the fake electors of the Jan 6 coup hardly at all. The media loved to cover the big violent crowd becaus it was flashy. However, the fake elector scheme was the more significant crisis in my mind. That showed a planned and coordinated effort by people in power to subvert democracy.

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      No, the people who needed to be convinced were the on-the-fence independents who stupidly thought they’d get a better economy under “Trump the successful businessman” than Kamala “Joe Biden 2.0 Harris.” They’re the ones who dismissed Trump’s stated plans as bluster; the people you’re talking about knew he wasn’t joking and were counting on it.

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    Fuck that. It was predicted a full year before. This is bullshit. Stop reading the NYT. They lied about the attack on Oct 7 (claimed sex crimes that didn’t happen) and never made a retraction. I cancelled my subscription to them and to the Washington Post (cause Bezos killed an opinion piece endorsing Biden, who I voted for because fuck Trump, but Biden was a terrible candidate).

    Listen to the audio-book, “Manufacturing Consent,” from Noam Chomsky. Unfortunately, he’s in the Epstein docs, so I can’t recommend him otherwise. Oh well. All these people are monsters.

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      Unfortunately, he’s in the Epstein docs, so I can’t recommend him otherwise.

      Also read an introductory textbook on logic & pay attention to fallacies like ad hominem. Shit’s timeless & really pays off far better than whatever joke of an education people got.

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      People who are “in the Epstein files” probably just pissed off the Moussad. Otherwise, where the fuck are the other names? Sounds like a bunch if bullshit to me. Documents can be falsified.

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      Beyond being buddies with Epstein, Noam is just a piece of shit of a person. Just absolute scum with interesting and thoughtful insights…but just a horrible person.

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        Can you point me toward some resources to learn more (aside from Epstein dump)? I have always admired his writing on propaganda and sociology but am painfully unaware of what he is like as a person.

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      Biden was a terrible candidate

      In a binary choice. He can also be the best candidate. Unfortunately many Americans don’t understand the difference between “imperfect” and “comically bad, unsuitable and incapable”. It’s too nuanced.

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    I can see the URL, I know it’s the NY Times … but it feels like it could just as well be a link to the Book of Revelation. Fuck this timeline sucks

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    Donald Trump was a lot of peoples’ fault. One article nailing him doesn’t cancel out all the articles that normalized or sane washed him, or ran with his narrative. Nor does it undercut all the well-justified mistrust of legacy American media. It’s not as if people started trusting pundits out of nowhere - they started looking for commentary and news from alternate sources because yeah, actually, a lot of legacy media does report like they serve their wealthy owners. Not that MAGA pundits don’t, but that’s beside the point.

    Hell, even right now, they’re generally running with the narrative that Trump’s Israel-Gaza ceasefire has been effective by not reporting that Israel still murders many innocent Palestinians every day.

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    Every single fucking thing Trump has done I predicted and warned people about and got shadowbanned across half the goddamn internet for it.

    Okay great we were warned, let’s stop whinging about the idiots of the past and start working to convince today’s idiots.

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      I think the most important thing about this era is to understand how the fuck this happened. I have no answers and have never heard anything convincing. I think if humanity lasts long enough, hundreds of years of scholars will be trying to understand it. Most people on earth could’ve predicted most of this shit, yet no amount of spreading that knowledge made a fucking difference. If nothing else, this tells us how unbelievably irrational humans are.

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        I have a pretty good idea how it happened, I just have no idea how we can guardrail our human weaknesses against every single entity committed to exploiting those weaknesses in new and inventive ways so that they can gain power over others.

        We had this entirely new thing come into our lives where we could get mental stimulation on-tap anytime we want, perpetually and it fucked everyone’s minds, we lost our attention spans and learned to fear each other as organized groups worked tirelessly to change our thinking and behavior, either for commercial purposes or for social/political agendas, and it worked spectacularly because we had no idea what “the internet” does to a human brain until someone makes the internet and does it all to us.

        Social pressure holds communities together, as primitive as it is, it’s a system we’re designed to work within, and as we’ve given up community outside influences are replacing it with incel-forums, loot-boxes, 24-hour news feeds, same-day shopping and and endless stream of jokes, memes and voices each desperately trying to get your attention, and getting just enough that you don’t look away or question your own capacity to question.

        And of course it doesn’t help that actual bad people are doing things like indirectly paying millions of people in developing nations to spread propaganda across the US for retweets and clicks because it’s just enough money to make a career for someone in India or Philippines.

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          You’re right about all of this. What I can’t fathom though – is that in the past, facts mattered. A lot. How did all of the propaganda literally erase that entirely? That’s what I cannot figure out. It’s not like the internet invented the concept of the lie. Before social media, at least most people would have some skepticism and if nothing else, ask their smart friend. How the hell did that go away?

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            How did all of the propaganda literally erase that entirely?

            I struggled with this also around the pandemic watching people deny reality, and my result is that in my adult life I have been re-black-pilled by depressing new knowledge about the human species:

            We are not a logic, rational creature. Our brains are not machines for working out problems, they’re machines for telling stories to create a coherent narrative. And that narrative doesn’t need to follow rules of reality, it just needs to tie ends together. This is why you ruminate and get depressed about things that aren’t real or have already happened, this is why people will cheer for their wrestlers while also knowing it’s scripted, this is why people can get into positions at the height of power by just saying “I’m the best at this.”

            We are massively vulnerable to cognitive dissonance, and once again, the only thing that has kept this in check for the majority of human society has been social pressure to know the rules.

            The rules have changed over the centuries, but they’ve at least required the members of the community to know how to distinguish things that are against the rules from things that are allowed, and with this comes critical thought (for self preservation) and pondering one’s choices (for self preservation) and the desire to conform and adapt to the will of the people around you (for self preservation.)

            When you take away the community and the pressure for survival, people can just live with whatever stories run wild in their minds, without consequence. The rest of us just hit the “mute” button or walk away and go be alone in our own universe of our own choosing. We’re all guilty of doing this about something, at some point, and when you get millions of people doing this at all once, you no longer have “objective reality” you have millions of Main Characters not caring about consequences for choosing to believe in things that run against reality.

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              We are not a logic, rational creature. Our brains are not machines for working out problems, they’re machines for telling stories to create a coherent narrative.

              I gotta push back against this. It’s much more complicated than this. Humans have a complex brain, with some parts matching this description perfectly, and others that do not at all. If we were not capable of both being rational and prioritizing facts, we’d probably still be roughly the same as chimpanzees. Instead, we developed incredibly complicated systems for accomplishing long term goals, and throughout human history, cooperation based on rational thought has played a huge role in the direction our species took. Hell, without that ability, there probably wouldn’t have ever been a coherent ruling class. They wouldn’t have been able to put all the pieces in place to hoard wealth indefinitely.

              What I see now as a distinct change is that rational thought just literally gets turned off at will, at any moment. In the past, 98% of people would watch a video of a crime and agree at least roughly on what happened. Now people literally seem to deny what their visual cortex perceives in favor of something they heard already. That is new.

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                I’ll concede that my explanation is very simplified, but the nuance has more to do with how the brain pulls together its story-telling material, which is predominantly from associations and experiences and practiced knowledge/actively reinforced education.

                But for the vast majority of people who feel things, the brain just hastily assembles an explanation for those feelings on the fly, from materials “laying around” and that path of least resistance is usually whatever is on the surface of an issue or feeling, and that can be a defaulting to a supplied narrative “You’re poor and can’t succeed because immigrants ate your cat.” or it can be tied to your past “You’re suffering because girls are bad, per that one girl who was mean to you in 5th grade.

                And while there is complexity to it, we’re talking about population groups more than individual capacity to be rational.

                and throughout human history, cooperation based on rational thought

                My turn to push back. I am talking from experience talking to psychologists and reading about brains so it’s only partially out of my ass, but I don’t think cooperation is at ALL required to be based on rational thought, in fact most of our cooperation is based on survival impulses and hardwired defenses, which is why so much cooperative action is based around violence and fear through history. The fact that we can cooperate at all to build bridges and Arby’s restaurants and fiber-optic networks has far more to do with the vision of a small group with more advanced conceptualization using primitive tools to move large numbers of people. (Primitive tool: We pay you to build fiber-optics so that you can eat and not die.) But the thousands of people involved in the project aren’t emotionally tied to the feeling of completion when the last line is laid.

                And for the most part, most of our successes and modern world has been built on more of a process of gradual trial and error than a logical plan being seen through from start to finish, of the unsuccessful cooperative actions getting left behind and the successful ones shaping the world. And we define success as that which gives us a more comfortable life with less suffering… so that alone should tell us how flawed this process can be. We are broadly using this overpowered skill of cooperative action for self-preservation, not community preservation, and logic rarely needs to apply.

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                  I wasn’t very clear about the cooperation part. What I mean wasn’t that you have to be rational to cooperate. What I’m saying is that you have to be rational to plan out things that take dozens or hundreds of years and effectively utilize the cooperation of thousands of individuals who are all looking to solve the same problem.

                  You are using modern societal issues like inequality as evidence that we aren’t rational, but I dispute that strongly. Those problems used to be much, much worse, literally because the ruling class used a rational but evil plan to take care of themselves. Because of rational working class fighting back in a very organized and rational manner at a few different points in history, we made progress against them. We don’t have a 40 hour work week or OSHA in America because a bunch of emotional and angry public kept trying random things without a thought. We have those things from planning and hard work. Both are examples of being entirely rational.

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    I don’t disagree with the content of this post but take this OPs hour-old account with a large grain of salt; this is likely another self deleting spam account.