I think this post might be too powerful for lemmy shitpost.
You guys are doing it for the meat and that’s weak. I don’t need a reason.
You know what’s really weird?
Soapboxing in a shitposting community. Bet you’re jackin’ off to it all, as well, ya perv.
Yeah bro, im fucking triggered too, not gonna ngl
If people are willing to mastrubate bulls for money, then just imagine what else they are willing to do to earn a buck.
this entire post and thread.
What does any of that have to do with eating or not eating meat lol
Vegans don’t drink milk either. And sticking one’s hand up a cow bum is a fast way to identify and treat several health related things. Artificial insemination just makes it easier for the farmers I guess.
I’m no bovine biologist or veterinarian. I was confused as to why artificial insemination would be done with a fist and forearm up the ass.
Curse my search history, but now I know.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/my-dad-gets-shoulder-deep-in-cow-ass/
Like all journeys of enlightenment, initial answers only raise more and deeper concerns. Why aren’t they wearing scrubs? Why aren’t they wearing to-the-shoulder medical gloves? Why are they smiling? Why do 30% of the cows smile and groan with pleasure? Why do ranchers form close affectionate bonds with one cow, their favourite?
I have a more profound understanding now - of the addage “Ignorance is bliss”.
Not much. This is mostly about animal milk production. Cows have to be pregnant in order to produce milk for their calves. But dairy farmers artificially inseminate (rape) cows and steal the milk meant for the calves.
Male calves and cows who get old are sent to slaughter houses for meat, and other products like leather.
So, it does have to do a little about eating and not eating meat, but it is mostly about animal milk.
The same process is done to cows that will be slaughtered to meat, otherwise the farmers wouldn’t be able to selectively breed and would be risky to the cows (cows have a high risk of injury when getting mounted by a bull). Farmers find a bull with the desired fenotype, buy his semen and impregnate the cows in the same manner you see pictured by OP.
I cannot see me needing to post about this any more,
I need to get back to deleting my E-Mails to get under GMail’s size limits.Okay, now I really have to go walk the dogs I care for on neighborhood Ave., way overdue, luckily still cool enough to do so & get to the boring, but required task of deleting E-Mails to get back under GMail’s storage limits.
Veganism is unnatural because we’re all omnivores, and evolved eating both plants and animals.
Impregnating cows this way is also unnatural.
Both can be true.
Vegans will NEVER have the political clout to force their way of life on everyone, and they’re mad AF about it.
Fun fact, we evolved to eat raw meat, that’s why we have an appendix. Then, when we stopped eating raw meat, we started to evolve away from the appendix.
Evolutionary arguments don’t support the naturalist fallacy, because evolution doesn’t work like that. It responds to environmental pressures. It’s not some guiding light for what we’re “meant” to be doing, it’s the tools we’ve got to support what we already did.
That is not proven though, the appendix part, that’s the explanation I like the best as well. Other explanations, I forget, the aliens had it for some shit we don’t even know about, oh yeah, the more likely non joke one, and it could be what you say and this both many organs do multiple things, is to provide a reservoir of gut bacteria, to repopulate the gut after the system is flushed. That would go right along with digesting raw meat, as using independent bacteria is large part of the human body we’ve come to learn.
I forget what the other theories are, but there are others for the appendix, I believe the raw meat and reservoir of bacteria both though is most likely.
While still technically a theory, the appendix acting as a reservoir for healthy gut bacteria has largely been proven. That function could very well have helped with digestion of raw meat as well, especially if eating raw meats caused issues with diarrhea.
It’s probably got more to do with eating less rotten meat than eating less raw meat. It has functions for the immune system it is like the surveillance system for what is being introduced to the body.
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we’re all omnivores
Except, you know, the vegans.
They are still omnivores who choose to limit their diet. Acknowledging that is a choice gives it meaning, which would be lost if it was treated as something similar to being an herbivore.
I am not personally a vegan or vegetarian, but respect the choice to limit one’s diet for the purpose of limiting animal suffering.
that’s a choice by an individual. doesn’t change how their body behaves due to millions of years of evolution.
ironically, the thing that gave them the ability to make the choice to be vegan is the thing they are rebelling against. high volumes of protein, specifically those from consuming the brains and muscle of prey, allowed the species to grow larger and more complex brains.
in a few million years vegans are going to be too stupid to make the choice for themselves and will return to consuming meat because they’re omnivorous.
By your logic, obligate carnivores would have the larger brains. Humans are obligate omnivores. Studies show no significant differences in cognitive function, cardiovascular risk, or bone health when vegan diets meet recommended dietary allowance levels. Animal protein contributed during the evolution of the human brain, but the development was driven by cooking. Cooking externalized the energy required for digesting food, which allowed for a reduction of jaws/jaw muscles, and especially gut size, freeing energy that could be used by the brain instead.
Also, the brain is fueled by glucose, not protein …
It’s interesting how you seem to believe your stance is based on science and facts yet you conducted no research to find out what vegans actually eat. Else you’d have found out vegans do typically eat a lot of protein and generally have healthier diets than the general public. The reason being vegans by definition spend time thinking about what to eat and looking stuff up, whereas many people just eat whatever.
I’m an omnivore, but god, imagine being so fragile that even talking to someone about veganism without resorting to #MEATPOSTING when your comfort food is a drive through away…
Imagine having an ego so fragile that pointing out misused terminology turns into a flamebate where the person feels personally attacked.
I couldn’t care less about vegan or vegetarian lifestyles and the people who follow it. it’s a personal preference like sucking dick or being a Jets fan. but personal preferences don’t change biology.
stick a devout vegan on a liferaft with only fish to eat and they will eat fish. that is, unless they have magically evolved out the will to survive.
your meatposting gave me a good chuckle and reminded me of cannibal holocaust.
am I meatposting right?
Our monkey, or rather ape, ancestors were more vegan than meat eater.
More vegan.
What a curious phrase. Not just for the substitution of vegetarian for vegan, but for the use of “more”. More vegan. I thought it was binary. Are their partial vegans? I thought that wasn’t allowed.
Because my diet includes more calories and nutrition from plant matter than meat most days, am I more vegan now?
that’s like comparing us to the primordial plankton that use to eat microbes.
it’s just really stupid.
let’s ignore 25 million years of evolution.
Pandas would like to have a word wich yu
Evolution is on a long scale, we have a lot longer as vegans than we do eating any meat to speak of outside insects and scavenging. Only a blink of an eye hunting our own meat to a large extent, a small fraction of a million years, compared to millions, and tens of millions, vegan ish.
Longer when you include like passive meat eating, like shellfish, which is what people were thought to be following as they colonized the middle east and asia.
if your argument is that we were herbivores longer than omnivores I’ve got some news for you. we ate planktons for alot longer than plants, mostly because plants didn’t even exist for millions of years.
so by your logic we should be eating phytoplanktons instead of plants and animals.
you can’t just dismiss millions of years of evolution on a whim based entirely on an emotional reaction.
be vegan all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that you are an omnivore.
Not millions though, tens of thousands eating meat, millions eating mostly vegan. I’m not a vegan btw don’t have a dog in this fight.
ITT: Animal abuse apologia
no one is defending animal abuse
The posters here are the same types of men who used to argue that enslaved human beings weren’t ‘people,’ merely property to do with as they pleased.
Yes, there are savagely callous, rather unintelligent and spiritually devoid humans who claim that cows - and by implication all other non-human beings - are not ‘people,’ but it doesn’t make it true. It just betrays their own barbaric stupidity.
The argument that non-human animals do not possess some vague set of traits that make humans the only species worthy of being classified as ‘people,’ is small-minded and ignorant, and based on outdated, biased and anthropocentric beliefs.
Cows, like all mammals, are beings who share the same kind of social bonds, care and love for family and community that humans share. They live complex emotional lives. They ARE ‘people,’ just as whales (who have been legally recognized as having personhood), dolphins, elephants and primates, are ‘people.’
Unfortunately we live in a society that more readily ascribes personhood to a sociopathic corporation than it does to living, empathetic beings who nurture their young, suffer and grieve, and deserve to live lives of dignity as much as any human does.
https://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/opinion/sunday/dogs-are-people-too.html
https://www.earthlawcenter.org/blog-entries/2024/7/whale-personhood-in-polynesia
comparing slaves to animals is exactly what slavers do
We are all animals, and we are comparable
I mean, it’s not really bestiality if it isn’t sexual. A gynocological exam also isn’t fingering.
I’m not sure on the specific definition of “bestiality” and whether “sexual pleasure of the executing party” or whatever you want to call it is a necessity, but consent should certainly be a part of it.
Animals are, similar to children, students etc, fundamentally incapable of giving consent. If your gynecologist sticks a finger up your vagina without your consent, then it’s rape.
Animals are, similar to children, students etc, fundamentally incapable of giving consent
Well … I agree with most of your points. But animals are not humans, so consent works fundamentally different. Domestic animals are owned, so humans act as the legal guardian. Yes, there should be regulation regarding general animal welfare.
But I don’t think artificial insemination of livestock falls into the category of bestiality. It’s a fun meme and shitpost, though.
A gynaecologist “treats” the patient, benefitting the patient.
Forcibly impregnating someone is also called rape.
Pretty fucked up to try to equate animal husbandry with rape.
If you believe that animals should have rights like humans do, then animals can be raped. If slavery was still legal, would you write “it’s pretty fucked up to equate slave husbandry with rape”? Just because we have historically done something, that doesn’t mean that what we’re doing is in any way moral.
Fucking hell, now you’re comparing slaves to animals? Seek help
Animals can have rights and be protected from unnecessary cruelty without anthropomophizing them and granting full human rights. You’re equating full, sapient humans with a species specifically bred for a base purpose without higher levels of thought and expression.
I don’t even think that statement is anthropocentric hubris. If ultra-advanced aliens showed up tomorrow and started domesticating humans for food or some other purpose, I would have the default expectation of them having the same or similar morals. Maybe we’d get access to decent healthcare and good libraries before we went to the slaughterhouse.
Cows get more rights than trees or crops because they have an ability to express pain and convey emotion. They don’t have the same rights as humans because they could never give a passionate argument for suffrage to a jury.
And to be clear: there are plenty of real, tangible reasons to end animal husbandry and make everyone vegan without even touching philosophy.
Slaves can have rights and be protected from unnecessary cruelty without anthropomophizing them and granting full human rights. You’re equating full, sapient humans with a species specifically bred for a base purpose without higher levels of thought and expression.
Your ancestors, probably
Kind of racist to suggest that slaves were a different species
That’s the point
Forcibly impregnating someone is also called rape.
someone
Key word.
It’s not rape if it’s your dog
I would really like to see you try to get your dog pregnant.
There’s websites for that.
That’s correct, yes.
However, my dog is my property, and someone can only artificially inseminate my property with my permission.
So you’re aware, that’s a really fucked up thing to think. Let alone say.
But maybe we disagree only on terminology?
What would you call the act of nonconsensually sticking your dick into your dog, and do you think it’s horrible?
What would you call the act of nonconsensually sticking your dick into your dog, and do you think it’s horrible?
Raping a dog is bad, yes.
Ah the tried and tested “it’s ok if it’s my property” which historically(and currently) is a universal guideline for what is and isn’t ok.
What in the fuck
Anti-vegans will go to any depths of depravity in order to deal with their cognitive dissonance. Once, on Reddit, I got a commenter to agree that he would be fine if someone had a dog in a cage they tortured for entertainment, rather than agree that it’s kinda fucked up that we slaughter animals because their flesh tastes nice.
So let me get this straight, you were arguing with someone, tried to lead them to a contradiction, but they actually had a consistent view on it that you didn’t like, and your conclusion is that they have cognitive dissonance?
My friend, I do not think that means what you think it means.
Real question, what if there is no cognitive dissonance.
Like someone who knows exactly what’s going on and says “fuck it, it’s delicious” ?
“I lead someone who disagrees with me into saying something stupid once, therefore everyone who disagrees with me must have cognitive dissonance.”
Lol
If it applies to one animal it should apply to all, but go ahead and be a special snowflake instead
no. different things are different.
The attitude of someone who mistreats animals ☝️
I don’t mistreat animals. this is libelous.
paying someone to kill an animal so that you can consume its corpse is how you treat animals nicely, is it?
That’s what somebody who mistreats animals says
Like, what a fucking stupid answer that can apply to anything and nothing at the same time.
Animals are animals, and humans are animals. Kangaroos are not cows, but both are also animals - different things ARE different, but at the same time, in some aspects, they are not.
Why doesn’t my dog have a right to vote? Why can a snake eat eggs but I can’t? Why is it OK for ants to farm aphids but not for humans to farm cows?
Different things are, in fact, different. There are lots of dead simple and airtight arguments for veganism without counterproductive emotional appeals. Talk about economics or ecology or health and not about sad puppy dog eyes.
Hell yeah! Morals are just a suggestion, lions eat their young, but I can’t? That’s bullshit and we all know it. If you wanna argue against eating our young (just the disabled ones, of course), please keep that melodramatic stuff out of here.
Artificial insemination is a treatment.
If the recipient asked for it and the donor is giving it out of free will with the explicit intention then yes it is a medical treatment.
Ah yes so when I give my dog antibiotics for an infection against his will it’s definitely not medical treatment
Making an animal pregnant isn’t solving a medical issue. How do you not see the difference?
Personally I view it the same as giving medicine to a baby. They don’t understand, sometimes you have to make decisions in their best interests.
Key point: in their best interests, not for personal gain.
Are you planning on eating said dog?
Yes.
With humans yes, but in the case of non-human animals these decisions are up to the owner.
edit: clarification for the ultra-dense.
You are aware humans are animals? The differentiation “human” is artificial and made up…
The differentiation “human” is artificial and made up…
You share 25% of your DNA with a tree, is it slavery to own four apple trees?
non-human animals … I didn’t think it needed spelling out.
If the recipient asked for it and the donor is giving it out of free will
…and it’s medically indicated
Not a vegan but if you think what happens to cows is a medical “treatment” then you are a dumbass
It is rape!
Remember there have been at least one-doctor that did this to women, not in his offices to become pregnant (warning, SP?). A famous case was a doctor that raped/impregnanted (SP?) a lot of women looking to become mothers, with his own sperm. The obvious results/proof came after birth,
Cows are not on the same level as humans
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Dude, forcing semen into a vagina is not a fucking treatment. Disgusting rape apologia.
How is impregnating a treatment?
Aka the nudist defense.
It is sexual, it sounds like they jack them off to acquire genetic material to impregnate the female livestock with
Trying to be “facts forward” so make of this what you will. Source: I was in FFA in highschool in a beef intense-ish area.
The method of collecting semen I’m most familiar with is when they take a female cow in heat and tie her up, then bring a male bull they want to collect semen from into the same pen. The male will smell the female is in heat, gets erect, and will attempt to mount her.
As the male is trying to mount the female, people in the pen with the cattle will have a large rubbery “sleeve” on a pole (imagine a cow sized condom on a stick) that they will maneuver around the bull’s penis as it mounts the cow. He does his thing in the condom thinking he’s inside the female (usually less than 30 seconds) dismounts and then the ranchers have their semen for artificial insemination.
I’ve been out of that area for over a decade now so a new method may have emerged since then, but in my Animal Sciences class, that’s how we were taught semen is harvested for most livestock.
Edit: I distinctly recall the “artificial vagina” being on a stick (and laughing about it in class), but best video I can find on the quick: https://youtu.be/-4ma3WeOxbo
You left out the rest, where the calf is seperated from its mother, tortured and killed for veal, while the mother mourns the loss of her child that the milk she produces is actually for, so the milk can be stolen from her for profit.
TBF that one sounds like no lines are crossed
Eh, I feel like the female cow is still getting a raw deal. Less raw than the classic “breed this bull with this cow” arrangement, but still somewhat not good.
Unless they are jacking off themselves at the same time, it’s not sexual.
I get what you’re saying but it’s sexual assault, no?
If non-human animals cannot consent, isn’t all sex between any two non-human animals rape?
If that’s the case, isn’t this preferable to just letting the animals just rape each other indiscriminately?
isn’t all sex between any two non-human animals rape?
Non-human animals aren’t moral agents and can’t be subjected to the same moral outcomes that humans have. The same way we can’t say a hurricane has done something immoral.
Non-human animals are moral patients. When moral agents act immorally upon moral patients, the agents are responsible.
isn’t this preferable to just letting the animals just rape each other indiscriminately?
That’s not why people do it though. It is wrong to make up new justifications for actions after the fact. It exists as an industrial process to get animals pregnant more often than they’d naturally choose to.
isn’t all sex between any two non-human animals rape?
And no, not all sex between 2 animals is rape. Animals can consent to sex with other members of their species, animals can’t consent to sex with other species because of communication differences (the big one being any animal with a human).
If that’s the case, isn’t this preferable to just letting the animals just rape each other indiscriminately?
The same way that hunting is more moral than farming, letting animals go at it in a natural way is way better than 1. tricking bulls into ejaculating into tubes and 2. forcibly inseminating cows with that genetic material.
You need to quantify the rate at which animal rape is occuring to justify using this method on the basis of “preventing rape.”
Also if you sought to prevent any animal rape, you’d have to seperate them all by sex. As far as I know this doesn’t generally happen except for their specific breeding season, and it would be cruel to seperate male and female livestock for their entire existence, just as it’s cruel to deny them their natural sexual intercourse. Humans aren’t supposed to play God with every facet of an animal’s life.
Is artificial insemination of livestock sexual assault?
…
Yes, it is.
It is sexual abuse on Living Beings, let alone sexual.
No.
If I were to artificially inseminate a woman with sperm from a spermbank without her consent, would that be sexual assault?
Unless that women is a literal cow, yes.
right mate, I am sure you can draw any equivalences with bestiality and such yourself, so I won’t explicate on them. I just want to say, you don’t have to defend the man-made horrors within our comprehension of animal product industries if you don’t want to be a vegan. I am not a vegan, because I can’t afford to. You can just say “that shit’s fucked up”.
Others Beings have rights!!! If you believe in god(s), then you are in real trouble after death, let alone those that do this.
Are they inseminating a cows with non-steers’ sperm from a sperm bank without their consent? I do not think so, as a regular practice, but sometimes greater abuse, I would never be surprised.
it’s a veterinary procedure
Veterinary in the sense that “it’s a duty a veterinarian might perform do,” but in this context it’s done to create more animals for us to harvest food from. Because letting them do it at their own rate wasn’t fast enough for this industrialised society’s appetite.
It’s disingenous to call it a veterinary procedure; we’re under no illusions about why this is being done. The cow didn’t ask for a bloody sperm donor, lol.
Fruit is perfectly wholesome and natural though. Except they aren’t…
Corn is basically a bulge of semen because of how humans have bred it.
Bananas are incapable of reproducing. All bananans you find in the supermarket are clones. If men were to die out, so would the common (cavendish) banana.
Cows are bred for milk production. If it wasn’t for men, their milk production would be very different. It’s just as natural as a banana.
Cows are just as unnatural as bananas, but the farming of animals is much more cruel, unnecessary, and destructive to the environment
True, but the monoculture of banans is also destructive to the environments and biodiversity.
That’s why I used the phrasing “much more”
I JUST RECENTLY found out I enjoy corn now. Dont take this away from me.
Wait which part of the man is the banana reliant upon
the part where we use pesticides, fertilizer and other techniques to make sure these plants don’t die. they’re bred for usefuleness, not for surviving in the wild. this is basically true for all crops we farm
That is true, ranchers have opposed bestiality laws and made sure they didn’t pass or had major changes, because they love jerking off cows into containers. For real, like they don’t even use like a machine they go in there with their hands and do it, not weird at all, why are you guys making it weird?
Pretty gross, but bull semen from one they want to use as stock for their herds is worth more than gold. But how many of the bulls are worth that much? It can’t be that much, and I imagine just about any bull could knock up them heiffers, as had always been done before for tens of thousands of years.
They are overthinking it, just let the cows fuck, then you don’t have to jack off any cows. How much extra are you making getting the super fast growing cow to impregnate your heiffer? Not all that much I bet.
The USDA I think it was has been in on some rather unthinkably horrible experiences increasing the number of calves/piglets on cows and or pigs that have resulted in all of these horrible births gone awry, but they are still at it, trying to do too many to make an extra buck instead of just accepting a few each time as standard.
