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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.bestiver.se/post/1091783
AI is an amazing tool for fascists.
Annihilate private access to computing, censor and rewrite all comms, destroy free software and the last remnants of education…
Every single decision made for evil.
And all these vendors who are locking themselves into one customer are about to learn why that’s a bad idea.
The worst thing is that when used for good AI is fantastic! Scientific progress with purpose built AI to find planets, predict the weather, and tons of pattern matching has been in use for decades with positive benefits!
Even LLMs can be a useful tool in the right situations where looking like words people would say but accuracy is NOT important.
The problem is trying to use LLMs to do everything and failing while running the tech industry, the environment, and soon the economy into the ground. They took something positive, ruined it and coopted the terminology while shoving it down everyone’s throats.
I’m not here to argue for or against LLMs in general, but self-hostable AI is a thing. Actually open AI is a thing.
A blanket statement saying about AI as a whole technology being good for fascism is about as useful as saying “roads are good for fascism” (they’re great for troop movement after all).
You can’t self host anything when the hardware is no longer affordable.
Self hosting an llm ain’t the same thing as self hosting nextcloud for your docs and calendar. Yes there are small models but their output is laughable
Small models are improving and becoming more capable. The quality of local LLMs is basically unbounded. The context size of local LLMs is bounded by hardware. So local LLMs can be very capable for small, self-contained tasks.
qwen 3.6 35b running locally:
Write a Python script that can pull weather data from public sources and provide the high and low temperature for the current day in Miami, FL.Single shot. No tool/internet use, so it didn’t pull this script from elsewhere.
import requests def get_miami_weather(): # Miami, FL coordinates LATITUDE = 25.7617 LONGITUDE = -80.1918 # Open-Meteo API URL (free, no API key required) url = ( f"https://api.open-meteo.com/v1/forecast?" f"latitude={LATITUDE}&longitude={LONGITUDE}" f"&daily=temperature_2m_max,temperature_2m_min" f"&timezone=auto" ) try: response = requests.get(url, timeout=10) response.raise_for_status() # Raises error for 4xx/5xx HTTP status codes data = response.json() # Index 0 corresponds to the current day high_c = data["daily"]["temperature_2m_max"][0] low_c = data["daily"]["temperature_2m_min"][0] # Convert to Fahrenheit (commonly used in the US) high_f = (high_c * 9/5) + 32 low_f = (low_c * 9/5) + 32 print("🌤️ Miami, FL Weather for Today:") print(f"High: {high_f:.1f}°F ({high_c:.1f}°C)") print(f"Low: {low_f:.1f}°F ({low_c:.1f}°C)") except requests.exceptions.HTTPError as http_err: print(f"❌ HTTP error occurred: {http_err}") except requests.exceptions.ConnectionError: print("❌ Error: Could not connect to the weather API.") except requests.exceptions.Timeout: print("❌ Error: Request timed out.") except requests.exceptions.RequestException as err: print(f"❌ An error occurred: {err}") except KeyError as key_err: print(f"❌ Error parsing data: Missing expected key {key_err}") except Exception as err: print(f"❌ Unexpected error: {err}") if __name__ == "__main__": get_miami_weather()Output:
% python3 ./m_weather.py 🌤️ Miami, FL Weather for Today: High: 88.0°F (31.1°C) Low: 73.2°F (22.9°C)I tried to keep the size and scope within something that would reasonably fit in a comment. Looks pretty decent to me, but I can’t write Python myself. Never learned. I double-checked the LAT & LON of Miami, and it’s spot on.
It did take 47 seconds, while a cloud LLM would probably take 5 or less.
All I’m saying is local LLM isn’t garbage and it is getting better all the time.
That’s interesting.
How much ram did it use while running?
If you used a GPU, how much does it cost in today’s prices?
It’s a MacBook Pro. 36GB of ram. I am sure Macs have some kind of gpu and I understand it somehow combines GPU ram with system ram, but I don’t really know Mac hardware very well.
It’s beefy for a laptop, but the desktop I built for myself several years ago had 32 GB of ram and a GTX 1660, so I’m guessing they are similar in capability. I gave that to my daughter, so I can’t run a comparison right now.
Or available. Companies have pre-sold years worth of inventory to AI companies.
You see hot that’s tangential to what you’re replying to?
Ai is evil
LOCAL AI is not all evil
Computers are expensive
Your point is completely valid, but in another discussion.
Sorry, but I think the point about local AI not necessarily being evil is the tangent here.
The OP is about motherboard shortages, which is being driven by the big AI companies and is making hardware unaffordable for normal users
The top level reply to that is about how that’s bad because it removes the ability for people to be in control of their own computing
Then someone comes in, saying “yeah, but you can host your own AI so that it’s not evil so not all AI is bad”
Then someone points out that you can only host your AI if you can afford the hardware to do so which, as the OP and the comment you replied to pointed out, is getting really hard to do.
Only when you ignore what was literally the first premise and conclusion.
if you did not understand the comment from above it’s fine but splitting hairs like you are doing is silly (everybody knows it’s not 100 % of AI is 100% evil)…
your comment is exactly the same as when people say “guns don’t kill people, people kill people”… yes, we all know guns are not autonomously killing people, the point is that guns, as a tool, are remarkably good at doing something we do not want, which is to kill people
Not to go on a separate tangent, but that’s the entire point of guns. They are supposed to kill. That’s not meant to be some crazy conservative defense of them or opposition to regulating them. Just pointing out something that seems to get lost in conversations.
Correct… so when I tell you “guns DON’T kill people, people kill people” you are right to assume and I am just an idiot trying to jingle keys in front of you to distract you from the fact that guns do in fact kill people.
Corps want to privatize roads and make them all toll roads too
They are succeeding in my area.
I’ve looked into self-hosted AI and decided it’s not worth the cost - both in terms of hardware and energy - when compared to the relative value to be gotten out of it. YMMV.
Same, pretty much. It is possible though, which makes LLMs a more democratic technology than, say, nuclear reactors.
The models you can run on consumer hardware are still nowhere near the stuff that runs in corporate data centers. To stick with your metaphor, its like running a little steam engine at home while the big guys get to operate nuclear reactors…
Roads were also useful for random citizens and people who happened to be in the area.
LLMs are overwhelmingly more useful to bad actors.
The US government is already setting down the legal framework to make self hostable AI ilegal so good luck with that. Also self hostable AI is still being trained on stolen material so still fascist.
That’s kinda my point. Roads are a useful technology, but they can be used by fascists.
This article talks exactly about that: https://tante.cc/2026/04/21/ai-as-a-fascist-artifact/
I don’t know if spending unfathomable amounts of money buying up the entire global supply of computing products can be considered a “tool”.
Motherboards were already way too goddamn expensive, anyway.
About a year ago I was considering upgrading my AM4 PC to AM5. The rock-bottom cheapest motherboards were only slightly cheaper than the relatively high-end one I got 5-ish years ago. I decided to stick with my current PC.
There’s going to be a lot of us running 2019-vintage PCs indefinitely.
I keep thinking maybe things will good by 2030 and remember that’s 4 years away. Game devs please target the Steam Deck and Switch 2 as the baseline. Mid range and high end is just too premium for most people. Even entry level enthusiast gaming hardware is too expensive because of memory and storage. Steam Deck and Switch 2 are good low power draw integrated graphics level. That’s not terrible for pricing
Even having high-end enthusiast hardware, I want those devices as the baseline too. Whatever optimizations they do still apply over the whole hardware spectrum.
Also, you can technically say 2030 is less than 4 years away if you want to traumatize old people. Lol.
I like watching sci-fi made in the 80s and 90s where they thought that 2015 was a really advanced distant prospect.
the first time I heard “1997”, in a movie, in the 90s, I freaked out, like no way that’s a real year.
I agree with you both. And you also both suck for saying mean things.
According to valves hardware survey over half of all gamers have hardware less powerful than the Steam Machine so provided valve don’t go mad with the pricing that may actually end up happening.
I think the steam deck and the switch 2 are probably too low power to be reasonable targets.
If we can’t make a time machine to go backwards, can we at least pause time? The future absolutely fucking sucks, let’s just avoid it altogether lol
Death to Chronos?
TIME CANNOT BE STOPPED
Pausing time would be worse than living forever. I could not imagine a greater torture.
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Seed debris in the orbit to destroy current satellites and then prevent new ones from being launched for several decades
Honestly I quite like space.
Better solution is to just kill like six people. Because that’s all the AI industry is, it’s six really annoying rich guys who are having the most extravagant pissing contest in history.
This is our fucking insane reality:
Who wins? 6 rich guys or 8 Billion people?
Easy. 6 rich guys.
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Honestly I wouldn’t mind so much if someone created an AI that was actually useful.
I’m very happy I built a PC between the crypto mining craze and COVID and AI scam…
Dammit. Everything is going up in fire GPU prices. . Ram prices. Storage. Then cpu. And now motherboards. So basically everything…!
Motherboards are, if anything, probably going to do the opposite — motherboard prices aren’t rising because of increased demand. Memory prices rose because of increased demand. Prices for things that use memory also rose. Motherboard sales are falling because of decreased demand; motherboards don’t use a ton of memory, and fewer people need a new motherboard because the components that they’d plug into the motherboard cost enough to cause them to defer upgrading or buying a new PC. You might see price cuts, if anything.
It’s actually the other way around, prices should go down as mobo sales are low.
No, sales are going down because prices are going up. If you have a fixed inventory and sales go down, you lower prices to increase demand and move the product and keep your revenue stream. But in this case, they’re moving supply away from this market (consumer hardware) to a different market (AI data centers). So the supply is going down with (previously) fixed demand, driving prices up. The “motherboard sales are collapsing” headline comes from looking at the consumer hardware slice of the computing hardware market. If you look at total sales from each manufacturer, so include the AI data center sales in the analysis, they’re not having any trouble moving inventory nor keeping up their revenue stream overall.
There’s no components available to plug into a new motherboard. Demand has dropped.
“Should” 😆
So now is the perfect time to buy a case.
Maybe I’ll be able to get a new motherboard with more than one fan header for cheap soon









