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Damn the incels turned OUT for this post lmao
The only wisdom is in knowing we know nothing.
Women are like cats. They rub on you, climb on you, try to be near you, sigh when they’re next to you, and we’re like “I think she’s just being friendly”. Also, I just told on myself that I don’t have a girlfriend because I compared women to cats…
I mean my boyfriend calls me good kitty but like you should like warm up to that lmao.
Do you have cats?
I have a cat and I get messages on dating apps from women telling me they like me but I need to get rid of my cat to date them. It’s fucking weird.
It’s nice of them to tell you that you should ignore them.
there is a tend of people being aggressive now in dating where they basically like list out all their demands and then expect you to say yes or something. it’s so fucking weird to me to demand that a complete stranger pay your bills for you or get rid of their pet for you, but it’s popular on tiktok and all that. and if someone says no your demands, they are a weak and pathetic person. There is just this weird like ‘make major lifelong commitments to me from the get go’ nonsense going on.
maybe I’m old fashioned but when i was growing up you typically didn’t make demands from strangers, you got to know them a bit before you started asking them for major commitments and then you respected them if they said no. relationships were something that emerged and you negotiated, they weren’t employment contracts where you specified everything you ‘need’ before you even met them.
something something commodification of relationships, I guess?
men are discouraged from approaching women and women dont want to show their interest in clear way. How have we not gone extinct yet?
We slowly are, most western countries have a birth rate below what we need to maintain the population.
That’s for economic reasons that have nothing to do with gender issues.
Nah, it’s a mixture of both.
Because the internet isn’t real life and plenty of people know how to talk to people, including those of the opposite sex.
We are on the way. sex and relationship rates are massively declining for Gen Z.
I have four newphews 16-20. they have all dated. all but one of them has already sworn off dating because they think it’s total bullshit and they thought it was miserable and no fun to have a girlfriend, for the very same reasons, I also am frustrated with dating and relationships in my 40s. It’s insane. It took me 30+ years of dating to get fed up, they were fed up in 1-2 years.
And all of us agree the issue is women’s expectations they get from social media. My 17 year old nephew broke up with his gf because he got her flowers and she complained they were not $200+ that he was a ‘low effort’ boyfriend and all her friends dog-piled in group chat and agreed. He’s 17 and he makes 15 bikes an hour part time…
Like why would any sane person want to subject themselves to group harassment from multiple women for the ‘sin’ of not being able to buy her absurdly expensive flowers? In my situation, I take women out on $100-200 dinner takes and get told that I’m a ‘loser’ for not taking her out to a $1000 restaurant on our 3rd date. It’s INSANE.
None of that happened 10 years ago. If I took a woman out to a $100 restaurant 10 years ago she was STOKED. Now the refrain on the news is ‘men are not good enough for women and women are giving up’. Without acknowledging the changes in women’s expectations for men due to their addiction to social media and constant consumption of ‘lifestyle’ influences.
All anyone blames is the manosphere… and how evil that is. But really it’s both sexes that are swept up in these toxic sexist expectations that are making both of them miserable and lonely and unable to connect with other people.
Where are you finding these women? I’ve never dated anyone like that. Not disputing that they exist, but to take out enough of them that it’s worth bitching about online may indicate a problem with the choices you’re making. Plenty of women are looking for an actual connection and relationship with someone.
You’re kinda down to the dregs when you get to your thirties, the nice ones have all paired up by that point.
they are the majority of the single women in my city in their 30s, on dating apps and in real life. They choose me, i don’t choose them. They send me likes on apps, they chat me up, they go out with me, they date me. Last night I got 3 likes on a dating app from women who said on their profile that they want a ‘real man’ to take care of them… my profile says I am not a ‘real man’. And yet they will still pursue me. They think I am hot/attractive, but they basically want me to change everything about my lifestyle and personality and beliefs…
The women I am interested in aren’t usually single. So unless I start an affair or poach someone’s wife, I can only date the women who are single who are like this. I am not interested in trying to steal people’s wives and girlfriends. Those women don’t have single female friends for me to date either. Every liberal outdoorsy nerdy girl I meet, is never ever single. Some of them are lesbians/queer though and very cool, but again, I can’t really date a lesbian/queer person as a straight guy.
I try to date outside of my city, but women in the suburbs usually even worse and they are usually conservative Trump types who hate me for being a liberal. They also are interested in me.
And all of us agree the issue is women’s expectations they get from social media
Yikes. Sounds like you’re all single for good reasons.
Damn.
15 bikes an hour is really fucking impressive, no what what kind of bikes.
Right, depending on the margins, he could probably make good money selling those bikes.
Brother, if you think this is a one-way thing, you are profoundly mistaken
sorry, do men dog pile on their friends girlfriends for not buying them nice enough gifts? or not giving him enough blowjobs?
I’ve never had another guy comment on my relationship with my girlfriend. and I’ve never commented on theirs. only thing I ever experience was some bitter virgin types guy telling me how good i have it that I have ever had sex or get female attention at all.
Please, do not go down this road. Are you really going to argue that our society does not put unrealistic expectations on women?
No, I’d argue that women who think that way are simple choosing to be miserable and making excuses for it. And that’s their choice.
They also often blame men for their choice the make them unhappy, weirdly enough.
I don’t date or interact with women who think that way, purposefully. I sure do meet plenty of them, who lecture me about how hard their lives are… and I just laugh at them because most of the time their life is 1000x easier than mine ever was.
And I’d argue you’re going full speed down the incel slope, and that’s your choice.
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We compensate with ✨horny✨
Hint all you want, the decent among us will still be terrified of looking creepy. Just tell us!
The bear thing scared a lot of decent guys off.
What most women don’t get is that men like assertive women.
Some men don’t. Just like some women don’t like assertive men.
People generally, like other assertive people who are clear about what they want. I don’t have any issue with a woman giving me a clear rejection. But I really hate the fake ‘rejections’ they give me most of the time that leave the door open or the bullshit double-standard where they reject me and then expect me to ‘try harder’ to win them over because ‘men need to chase me’. or whatever horse pucky they believe.
Like is a strong word. Let’s say she’s used to you.
Why are women even taught/expected to behave like sneaky spies when it comes to romance? “Ok, time to do my personal hair signal that I’m interested and want him to approach”
Probably because historically the patriarchy took away women’s rights to be able to choose mates and had years and years of arranged marriages. Then couple that with women being in those forced relationships who could not chose their partners looking for comfort outside of the inhumane treatment of forced marriages and you get societal pressures that taught women they dont get a say in romantic relationships and as such them showing interest had to be covert as it was typically to those outside their prescribed marriage and if caught they could at the very least be socially disowned or at worst be literally killed for it. So yeah im not surprised women have a tendency to be less obvious about it its only very recently in human history that they got to have a say in finding partners.
I don’t think that’s it.
Being clear about your desire also means that rejection is clear, and that hurts.
The girl in the OP isn’t happy with being ignored tho
she won’t be happy if she gets what she wants either.
unhappy people invent reasons to be unhappy, no matter what happens, good or bad.
This is a selfmade problem, don’t try to pin it on anyone but women.
plausible deniability. if you don’t actually try, you can’t actually be rejected.
This is a selfmade problem, don’t try to pin it on anyone but women.
From that girl’s perspective, it seems that she feels rejected, just not explicitly
During college I got asked out by a few women as a man and I appreciate the initiative!
Be it woman or man, asking someone out is never easy because you’ll make yourself vulnerable to rejection. So ask friendly and politely for a meeting in a safe space like a cafe and make it easy for the other person to decline and save their face if they have no interest. The other way around, turn others down with respect to their effort of making themselves vulnerable (‘I am flattered by your offer but I have other plans for that evening’ or something).
I have asked out a few women and got rejected some times. But with the ones who said yes I have spent years of great relationships, some of which even have turned into friendships. And I got to spend years with girls who I thought were way out of my league. But it turns out we’re all just people and they were also happy that someone asked them out!
Not all of the dating world is hostile and there are still women and men out there with a good heart. Don’t try too hard, get yourself out there in clubs or sports and go to parties occasionally. I have never used a dating platform and yet I had the pleasure to spend quality time with many wonderful people.
In an ideal society, we would just go and ask the person we adore out, no matter what gender or social framing we have. And even if the person asking you out is definitely not your type, don’t let them feel bad - make them feel good about asking, boost their confidence.
My last girlfriend asked me out (she beat me to the punch by like 2 text messages, but still). It took a lot of the nerves off that relationship starting out.
This makes me think of a conversation between my wife and daughter a while back.
Daughter is angry with her BF and frustrated that he seems oblivious to that
Wife: “Oh honey, no. It doesn’t work like that. If I’m mad at your dad for something I just have to tell him. If he asks if I’m OK and I say, ‘I’m fine’, he takes that at face value. He’s very literal.”
Daughter: “Ugh. Doesn’t that frustrate you?”
Wife: “It was weird at first but once you get used to it it’s actually really nice. You just have to learn to talk to him.”
Me: “Wait, I did something right?”
Wife: “You do lots of things right babe.”
Yeah, I think she likes me.
Yeah communication is key. Even if you are too literal at least you are clear and not obscuring your thoughts.
We can, we just don’t want to reveal our telepathic abilities. Shhhhh
Oh my yes. I do ask, subtley, if they can read minds. And on the off-chance they say yes, I take a hot minute to push the brain “clear browser history” button before carrying on – just in case.
Aside from a lot of guys being thickheaded and not seeing it, there’s also selection bias.
A) A girl has a crush on a guy. He notices but plays it safe. Maybe she’s just friendly. Result: no harm done except perpetuating the myth that guys don’t notice.
B) A girl is just friendly but the guy thinks he’s being crushed on and acts on it. Now he’s forever labeled as a creep.
The only safe play as a guy is always, always assuming she’s just being friendly. Unless she comes right out and says she wants to hump your bones, just assume she’s being nice to you.
Pascal’s Wager but for pussy
She’s Canadian.
Quadruple the caution if it’s a coworker. Hello HR violation.
To quote Amos Burton, “I don’t shit where I eat”
Don’t, “butter your bread where you earn it.”
if romance is a type of shit to you then i’m sorry for all your relationships
Thanks for lining it out so well.
There’s a good shot that she’s into me, but if she’s not, I’ll either die of embarrassment or I’ll get bullied by their whole social circle.
Add to this that men usually are not as socially comfortable as women, and you kinda understand it why this happens.
This happens to women too. The embarrasement is real and the societal pressure to not be seen as a slut is everpresent. Playing it safe is a popular strategy no matter the gender.
It’s 2026. Are people still that puritanical that they care about somebody else’s sexual activity?
The places I’ve lived in the last 15 years have been extremely sex positive, which was a slight shift in mindsets from where I grew up, which was slowly coming this way.
Is there a sudden resurgence in this behavior? Is it part of the man-o-sphere bullshit?
yes. most people are incredibly puritanical. including ‘sex positive’ people. most self-proclaimed ‘sex positive’ people i knew are the ones who judged people the most for their sexual habits. anytime i have hung out with sex positive people i have been shamed by them for being a slut, or being a prude. i’m a man and i’ve had women reject me for my partner count many times for being too much or too little.
it’s not a resurgence, it’s always been there. it will always be there. people don’t like people who are different than them. it makes feel feel bad and insecure and they blame you for it rather than question their own feelings.
Oh yeah most definitely.
I just wrote this because these memes are rampant and funny, but they do make light of a bad circumstance on our society. And that trope usually targets men, so here’s some context.
It’s always good to play it safe unless evidence is so overwhelming that she’s into you. This has cost me some romantic opportunities but has also kept me from being the guy who dates all his female friends.
“therefore I must say 10.4, dinosaur” 💀
Y’know I’m glad I am aromantic, emotionally insular, and paranoid as fuck. Makes my dumbass not even have to factor this shit together, was she flirting with me quickly turns into I don’t care. Though I will say having sex would probably be nice, but I’m also hypersexual and autistic so it’s almost guaranteed id probably fuck it up and go too far.
Are you me?
No but I am me.
We typically have no idea unless explicitly told, no.
Even then, maybe she’s just nice. Or canadian
I knew a nice Canadian that had a crush on me once. I still messed it up.
i don’t click the link but i know which video it is
Edit: Is she into you? - Casually Explained
Damn, I got here too late, I wanted to make this reference too!
Yeah, see, my girlfriend just right out told me. But we’re both AuADHD. So you know, things happen impulsively and directly.
I asked her on a date, she said yes. We get to the date we have fun, we have a long night out, she goes home and texts me “I like you.”
Yep. Which is a good thing too because I liked her and was a lot nervous about that.
God damn that’s the dream. This chick at the store smiles at me a lot and giggles when I’m nearby. I like hearing her laugh and seeing her smile and don’t want things to get awkward, so I’m not saying anything :/
Be direct with “Hey, I noticed that you smile a lot at me and giggle when I am around. If you want to talk outside of the store. Can I give you my phone number?”
If she’s an employee and your a customer, don’t ask her for her phone number or out when she’s working. She will feel trapped and pressured to say yes. However. by giving her your number she gets to decide if they moves forward or not. If you are co-workers, same advice. Don’t ask her out or her number. Give her your number, let her decide to move forward or not.
Also respect any boundaries she has.
just ask her out.
she will say yes or no. anything that isn’t ‘yes!’ is a no.
The problem with doing something like that is it can make the situation awkward permanently afterwards
it’s already permanently awkward
Just give her your phone number.
Aw yeah. There was this beauty at the store that, in hindsight, obviously gave me the eye, repeatedly. I wanted to ask her to a coffee the next time, but then she already wasn’t around anymore. Don’t be too late.
Even if we’re explicitly told the first twenty times we’ll just think she’s being nice.
When women can’t communicate and frustrate themselves.
I have dated women who expect me to read their minds and think if I am not Professor X I don’t care about them.
One breakup the reason was “I shouldn’t have to ask you for anything, you should already know what I want before I want it. That is what love is!”
Then I asked her if she does that for me and she made a face and said “No, you’re a man you don’t deserve that.”
That sounds like a bullet dodged honestly.
You deserve someone to love you in a way that includes showing it by doing little things to make your life easier/better/more comfortable.
I don’t meet anyone like that. So I stay single. I was just on a date last week with a woman who made it clear it was my job to serve her, and my ‘reward’ was her company and I should never ask anything of her… this is the most common attitude I get these days. Along with a lot of ‘equal respectful partnership is slavery for the woman’ nonsense.
That was my wife for the last 20 years… The divorce is almost final (almost as in we’ve both signed off, it’s been sent to the court (Friday afternoon) we’re just waiting to hear back…). Yeah, she cheated on me. Yeah, it was a surprise. Yeah, she blamed me for not paying enough attention to her.
yep, the woman i quoted above, also was cheating.
she also told me it ‘wasn’t her fault’ that she was 175K in debt and that it was my job to help her back it back…
As a dude in my 20s, actively trying to find some random 20 year old woman to date for a long term relationship is such a bad decision. I’ve stopped trying to date people (for now) because it’s just so draining as a man to have to deal with all the expectations and stereotypes placed on us.
my teenage nephews feel exactly the same way. they are completely cynical about romance due to the ridiculous and hypocritical BS that their potential dates put on them. and they have only had 1 girlfriend for a few months. It took me 30 years dozens of girlfriends and 100s of dates to get to that point!
something something equal rights
