Propaganda here boys. Japanese aren’t having kids, there is no youth.
You think it’s bad that the save icons have floppy disks?
A while ago, I was wondering why the usual icon for “database” (upright cylinder divided into multiple horizontal slices) looks like the original flowchart symbol for drum memory, further refined to look like a 1960s hard drive, you know, one of those washing machine sized units. But then again, if you have a serious database, chances are it’s running on some several layers deep virtualised replica of a 1960s system
Programs using this icon should restrict their file size to 1.44 MB. Everything else is just false advertising.
Maybe it’s a super disk LS-240. They were up 240 MB.
Could be a zipdisk! Those where up to what 750megs?
I had one of those beast: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zip_drive Probably still have it somewhere among the dust.
I replaced my jazz drive when burners became more popular and cheaper. I could buy 100 cdrs for the price of a zip disk. I only had a zip drive to begin with so I could work on my high school projects in computer graphics class from home (ah, going back and forth between Windows and Mac in 1999… it sucked)
Yeah, Zip disks suuuucked. I always had to carry two for redundancy because they failed to read so often. Even having every second or third CD burn fail, because you looked at it wrong, was more reliable than Zip disks.
Zip disks were originally launched with capacities of 100 MB, then 250 MB, and finally 750 MB.
Congrats, you win! 🥳
Ironic, since Japan is one of the last holdouts requiring the use of floppy drive for use in government processes.
No, Japan has ended the usage of floppy disks last year, besides a single case relating to vehicle recycling.
When you use old tech like that, sometimes it becomes a security feature.
Me when I’m in a refusing modernization challenge and my opponent is Japan:
Probably just ironic humour.
People in Japan still have access to search engines and have brains.
have brains
Shoot, that’s an understatement. The Japanese people I’ve read online and met in person tended to be a whole lot more educated than the average Joe. Their education system seems pretty solid.
Does Japan not have the fervent anti intellectualism that we have in the US with our right wing? And it’s not in bed with racism to fuck public education together?
No doubt they’re somewhere, but I’ve never come across those people online or in person.
Theres something about this sentiment that slightly scares my very soul.
The other day I got a press release about disaster preparedness for grade school kids.
It made mention of teaching kids how to use a battery powered radio to get information. And it suddenly struck me that my 8 year old nephew likely has never even SEEN an FM radio, much less would know how to tune one to a specific station.
Shit like that makes me feel reaaaaaaallllly old…
I’m in my 30s and really never actually used an old radio like that. Like there were some laying around that nobody used anymore and I kind of played with them as a kid, but I’m right on the cusp of not knowing how to use one.
25 soon to be 26, my family liked to camp out in the Mojave when I was a kid so I do know how to use them but even for me I am far more familiar with stereos .
The two aren’t mutually exclusive. Most stereos had tuners.
Fair enough but I ain’t using the radio element most of the time. I’m using the 8 track, cassette, record, or CD players not really a radio guy it’s been shit for my entire life.
My elderly father was confused when he bought an old style fm radio and found out it was only a Bluetooth speaker.
I wonder what other artefacts like that we have.
I’m sure some streamers use “Tune in”, which refers to radio dialing.
“Dashboard” means a whole lot of things, but originally meant a board on a carriage that prevents mud from being “dashed” up to the passengers by horses (I think).
Uh…“meal” is literally a kind of grain that most people probably don’t eat regularly at all, let alone 3x a day.
The only writing icon that matters is the drumming gif. It doesn’t even make sense anymore but it was so unbelievably perfect for the time.
What is that supposed to represent???
“Drumroll please…”
Wait for it… 😏
Did it ever make sense?
“Look, dad, someone 3D printed a save icon!”
Fuck Excel and Microsoft for tying auto save to OneDrive.
So OneDrive actually saved me a ton of time this year at work. We implemented it at the end of last year, and we had a lot of problems with it at first.
So usually something would go wrong, and it was my job to dig deep and figure out what caused it. But for the first half of this year, I could just say, “I don’t know, but I’m pretty sure it’s OneDrive,” and then I could relax and do something else.
Jesus Christ, people really do love to make a problem out of anything, as long as it has “Microsoft” on the label, eh?
I use it, I even pay for it. But Holy fuck it’s bad! It makes explorer freeze when right clicking sometimes, moving files is slow, I can’t create a new folder and name it at the same time because it interrupts the process, so I create new folder, it takes over, then I have to manually rename it from new folder.
Its picture viewer in the Web app freezes half of the time, actually, on the android app too.
If I didn’t get such a good deal for it, I would go somewhere else. It’s fucking trash.
I can understand the Microsoft hate, but I always chuckle at this knee-jerk reaction every time it comes up.
*Microsoft is mentioned, karate-chops the air*
Right? It’s insane!
Like with the ROG Ally. People who don’t have it call it the worst shit ever because it runs Windows. People who do have it call it amazing, because the UI is done great, the games run smooth, etc. Like, there’s zero issues with the device, it’s great for gaming, but because Microsoft is involved, so many people just want to drop it in the gutter…
I swear, if Microsoft just randomly decided that every Windows user gets one million dollars, no strings attached, people would complain…
when you are a computer toucher, adding an extra three or four touches every time you want to save is frustrating.
What?
If you’re using OneDrive, 99% of the time you want your documents to be saved there anyway, so this saves you time.
If you’re not using OneDrive, this doesn’t affect you at all.
If you’re using OneDrive but, for whatever reason, don’t want Word to save files there by default, it takes some 5 clicks to go back to the previous default.
People are behaving like Microsoft is sending death squads to get all their documents, it’s just stupid.
And people are correct to do so.
They’re not.
If you’re using OneDrive, 99% of the time you want your documents to be saved there anyway.
If you’re not using OneDrive, this doesn’t affect you at all.
If you’re using OneDrive but, for whatever reason, don’t want Word to save files there by default, it takes some 5 clicks to go back to the previous default.
Onedrive has been known to just randomly break programs like razer synapse and plenty of other things, and also reinstalling itself for no reason. A friend had a game running at 20fps and it was a known issue that onedrive caused it. I would prefer to have things autosave without using something that is acting indistinguishable from a virus.
Onedrive has been known to just randomly break programs like razer synapse and plenty of other things
Never heard of that. The only thing I can imagine that might happen here is Synapse dropping off its config files in Documents, the file getting kicked off to the cloud (after a device switch/OS reinstall, by the user or via space-saving logic due to long time of not being used), and then Synapse trying to interact with the placeholder file. Literally nothing else could affect it.
Also, using any Razer software as an argument against other software is… brave.
A friend had a game running at 20fps and it was a known issue that onedrive caused it
Would love to read more about it because it sounds completely ridiculous. Unless the game constantly overwrites files in OneDrive sync’d folders, which would trigger a non-stop sync, I guess?
I would prefer to have things autosave without using something that is acting indistinguishable from a virus.
This sentence goes super hard if you have no clue what a virus is.
It works, when vending (saving) you make: the machine (the app) vend (save/create) a drink (a file).
No, I think it’s kind of opposite. If the machine is vending you a drink, that would be better as the “open” icon. You choose which drink (file) you want, and the vending machine gives you the one you asked for.
Did floppy disks actually exist?
What in the flying fuck is wrong with Jerboa for Lemmy? I can’t scroll up past this image now…
That happens from time to time. I haven’t been able to find out why, or I’d report it. Leaving and reopening the thread fixes it.
No, that didn’t fix it. After more comments accumulated, the glitch just shifted to a different image comment. Glitch still exists, and I’ve reported and updated my findings with the Jerboa developers community.
Edit: If you care to follow, here’s my post to the Jerboa community…
Yeah, I’ve been having trouble with my feeds not refreshing once I’ve scrolled down to the “bottom” of what has initially loaded. Been driving me bonkers. Shame, because I rather like Jerboa, but I’m probably going to start scouting for alternatives or sacrifice convenience and stick to a desktop browser.
I find myself happy enough with Jerboa. I don’t often experience bugs, but when I do, I make a point to report it to their dev team. They do listen and make a point to iron out the bugs, eventually…
You running latest version? It’s working good for me on this image.
Running version 0.0.84, so pretty recent if not the latest.
I went back to check again after more comments accumulated, and now that image isn’t causing the glitch, but another image is.
I dunno what’s up, but I messaged the Jerboa community with my findings. 🤷
Scroll through all the comments, then try scrolling back up to the top, see what if anything happens. It’s buggy here…
Ok, yeah I’m seeing the issue now, I can scroll down, but ‘infinite’ scroll back up so to speak, where is just throwing what I’m viewing back down a handful of posts etc. Hopefully an easy enough fix for them.
I once had what I thought was a friend, but who was definitely a teacher. He joked that he brought a floppy disk to his school and his students asked who had 3d printed a save icon.
I once had what I thought was a friend
You could start writing a book with that line.
That’s true! However, I don’t like “what” there - friend or no, he was a who, not a what. I just couldn’t write “who I thought was a friend,” though reading it now it seems okay. Ah well; I’m no novelist, so feel free to claim the quote for yourself if you’d like.
What even is a good alternative save icon these days?! This is the only save icon I know.
Edit: lmao I’ve gotten so many replies! I love y’all.
A download icon?
And for larger files, maybe add more arrows and make a biblically accurate download icon? /j
I think one GTK/GNOME icon set had downward arrow pointing to a hard disk. Seemed clear enough to me.
Set it in stone.
…maybe something more basic like this:
Back then the version control really was v2 Final Final. The good ol days.
We still do that level of version control. But we used to, too
Sorry for the convenience
A floppy disk is fine, just like Photoshop uses terms like dodge and burn, references to obsolete dark room methods, like cutting and “pasting” were literally how some layout projects worked.
Referencing the last physical incarnation of saving a file seems fitting!
Pretty harsh to the compact disc don’t you think?
You don’t save to a CD, you burn it
CD wasn’t even the last physical media that was adopted widely. Technically I think that may be thumbdrives for now, but there were some tape and disc shaped, but high density for the time (like 20MB to 100MB for the disk shaped one, and 1GB to 2GB tapes.) and named something I don’t remember, media options that were created in the late '90s early '00s before thumbdrives became a thing.
What about MicroSD? Still being put on game consoles and smartphones to this day.
True that. I tend to lump them in with thumbdrives.
Zip drive?
Zip disk/zip drive? wiki link
That’s the disk one!
Maybe a hard drive or SSD. At least the hard drive cross-section is somewhat unique.
Up arrow to a cloud, or down arrow to a platter (which, ironically, is also out-of-date)
Up arrow to Lakitu.
You just described upload and download, not save.
is there a difference between download and save?
You’re viewing information held in temp memory and are committing it to a hard drive or more permanent cloud drive for later retrieval.
Yes there is a difference. If you already have the information on your drive you don’t download every time you make an edit.
I think you’ve misunderstood my point:
Web app > data is in temp > save commits it to disk
Offline app > data is in temp > save commits it to disk
does “temp” meaning RAM, user directory, remote cloud directory, browser temp files, WordPress backend db and “disk” meaning hard drive or one-drive or Google drive or the permanent remote cloud directory, or production db significantly alter the concept of the function?
Might be controversial, but I think “no.” I don’t think there is a difference between me “saving”, for example, a web page in WordPress as the final version, and me “saving” the offline wire frame design to my hard drive, and me “saving” a PDF of the web page to my downloads folder.
No, download would be a down arrow from a cloud. “Saving” on a modern system typically implies a local cache paired with a cloud backend.
Up arrow to a cloud
nice try Microsoft
Up arrow to a cloud
Vomits
Tell that to anyone needing a large amount of storage that is instantly available; the newest HDDs with 30TB storage hit the central European market this July. Remarkably, the best value offering is a 28TB HDD @ 14,25€ / TB.
Hard to disk drives are still around but you might want to make it look generically like a generic that could also be an SSD just as easy
Congratulations on the drugs, I guess
That or posting on mobile while sleep deprived as fuck. Rereading a post made in bed the night prior is always a humbling experience.
Hey they tried! 😂
The difficult part would be depicting a SSD. It’s just a rectangle.
The chip icon, you know the one next to the other chip icon.
Maybe put a folder inside the rectangle?
A folder depiction almost always means open or load from directory
And a cloud inside the folder. And a floppy disk inside the cloud.
It’s just the download button, truly. They already associate that icon with saving files from the web. The down arrow pointing to a rectangle or laptop icon in word or similar app wouldn’t be too ambiguous…
Or, truly, the floppy will just become a nebulous, originless heiroglyph meaning “keep this information for later and let me put it somewhere to find it again,” and some Gen. Beta child will get curious and learn about ye olde days of magnetic media from Wikipedia.
This:
Or a Christian cross (“Jesus saves”)
Realistically the icon could br anything, even the green check emoji: ✅
But if we want to retain the thematic reference to a disk- icon-ify an m.2 2230 or similar and literally just swap em. lol
Image for reference:
Maybe a life preserver ring won’t become out of date? 🛟
That’s ‘Help’, not ‘Save’
This is Help
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cool, now we got a reference older than the 3.5 inch floppy
Well ackshually this picture spells “NUJV”
Maybe their spelling is what they need help with 🤔
Yeah but that’s awfully anglo-centric. Saving life has nothing to do with saving a file in other languages.
It’s time we upgrade the icon to Zip drives, or maybe Sony memory sticks.
I miss those icons bro.
☁️ is a (rather terrible) way to indicate cloud saving.
Yeah it’s old and loses relevance, but we can go older and it circles back to recognizable again
✍️
Or just say the vending machine is because it’s a store and you are storing the data when you save
I once saw a usb thumb drive as an icon. Guess it didn’t take off.
It might be the best actually since they’re still around and, never say never, may not go anywhere. Though a USBA icon will confuse the USBC crowd soon enough.
A frog from Mother 3
I’ve seen an SD card used before.
A princess in a tower guarded by a dragon, with a knight holding a sword getting ready to swing at the dragon.
Man, if only it dispensed actual drinks. But yeah, it used to dispense your whole digital life on 1.44MB. Good times.
parchment & quill 📜🪶
SD card?
I could see this one working. It has the little signature cut off corner.
A disc is also been used for some.
Would need to have some sort of drive icon - maybe? - that is unlikely to ever be forgotten… with a down arrow embedded inside.
Hmmm.
That’s a download button, an up arrow on the disk is an upload
The save icon is too established to be changed. It can be simplified and become a glyph no one understands the meaning of, but it’s cemented
An SSD. But not an M.2 because that might be confused for RAM.
A blank rectangle wouldn’t be confusing at all though.
My ssd is literally a 1tb small keychain… There’s too much variation.
What is your ssd? That sounds awesome.
Loading circle then checkmark next to filename
Jesus that makes me feel old and I never once in my life used a floppy drive.
Oh man I distinctly remember being taught how to insert the floppy disk and then select the A: drive to save to the floppy disk on windows 3.1 in my elementary school computer class. My dad’s Prince of Persia game was on like ten floppy disks.
Same here! And the weird thing is, we did this like 8 times during the school year because that’s apparently everything our computer class teacher knew how to do. I always wondered why that was.
I actually recently set up a laptop to run windows 3.1 so I could show my kids what I used at their age. This was part of a tutorial that automatically runs when you first boot it up.
