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They had us in the first 83%.
Might just be tired but the twist at the end 100% got me lmao
#2 gave it away because you’d have to royally screw something up in Arch to get KDE to lag like that lol.
It might be minimalist but it’s not unperformant out of box.
The only time i had issues with KDE when i was using a PC with 384 MB RAM (plasma 4)
I wouldnt blame that on kde
Tldr I use Arch btw
I’m sitting here reading these comments as the low-end Dell laptop I just picked up for software testing is booting up and updating Windows. For logistic reasons, had to pick one up today, so had the pleasure of dealing with Best Buy sales staff 🙄
From powering it up, it’s been 1.5 hours with updates and multiple restarts. Half of it was spent showing a progress indicator with a carousel slideshow of all the great AI tools I have no interest in using. Then it insisted on signing in with a Microsoft cloud account.
It’s been eons since I actually ran a fresh copy of Windows. Amazed people still put up with all this nonsense.
Seriously, dealing with Windows OOBE is like walking through a used car lot.
“Decline offer” “Decline offer” “Not right now” <hey, we need to update! See you in 30 minutes!> “Remind me in three days” “Turn off cloud backup” “Yes, I’m really sure” “Decline offer” “Share minimum telemetry” (oh, you thought you could turn that off? Lol. Lmao, even)
I don’t know how anyone finds that mess easier than linux.
It’s not easier than Windows, it’s the devil you know.
Sure it’s slow, but you know how slow. It does updates at the wrong time, but you know it will turn on again eventually. It sends all your data to Microsoft, but no-one has come to your door to harass you because what’s in your data.
Linux is some obscure thing that would take time and effort to learn, and you’re tired from work and just want to use a computer without thinking about it.
Things might be different if Windows wasn’t the default/only option when buying a new laptop.
The best buy sales staff are interesting because they practically make you beg for the thing you already had your mind made up about when you walked in the store.
I love this copypasta, I love my linux, I hate my windows. But let’s be honest with ourselves for a second and completely ignore the punchline of this meme.
Those ARE valid criticisms of linux distros. Arch is not for casuals so you should be aware what you’re getting into before stepping in, however your everyday-consumer-facing distros like Mint are still far from providing a fully comfortable day to day experience.
Again, I love my Mint, I’m never going back to windows, I’m a technical person and I had to use AI to help me run my nonograms game without it injecting cocaine into my CPU.
Mint was providing a comfy day to day experience 15 years ago. I never can figure out why everyone says it’s so hard.
Hardcore users are already on linux. Casual users are only left on windows.
Man that subreddit is a trip. Really funny to actively hate FOSS on ideological grounds because you just love corporations and markets so much.
There’s one here on Lemmy too. I got banned this morning for sharing this post lol.
Here’s a post from it defending Telemetry of all things.
Man that madthumbs guy is really trying to make that a thing and it’s kind of sad and lonely that he’s off by himself pretending he has a community…
Please please please don’t brigade/harass that community!
I love it! It’s like watching flat earthers. I NEED this popcorn.
I’m not quite sure it’s a “community” as such - it looks like just one guy having a bit of a nervous breakdown on his own.
Lol it’s an LLM post too
Yeah I was just about to edit my comment to mention that. Like bro why are you here it’s built on the same ethos you hate in linux.
Then why do people pretend that being ‘downvoted to hell’ means anything here? Why would they point and say ‘echo chamber’ hypocritically?
The truth is that Reddit is shady AF with their shadow bans, control of information, inconsistent rule following, etc. I’m actually trying to get more users here.
I tried on Gab. -What happens when I correct someone on Gab about Linux? -They upvote and thank me for it! A community there for “Linux sucks” served no purpose.
edit: I’m also against religion (worse cult) and didn’t want to support the owner’s evangelism. -But the site is ran pretty decent, and it’s not bad when curated (another shady thing about Reddit is the limitation on blocking users).
I’ve seen a few of your posts on Linuxsucks@lemmy.world. I can appreciate a minority view and you don’t strike me as hostile with other users, but many of the points you made frankly make little sense to me. Some even stike me as deranged or at least misinformed. I hope you are doing this out of passion or get some other form of genuine joy out of it. I’d hate for Linux to make
youanyone feel miserable.So do you like make all these linux hate memes yourself, or are you sourcing them from various linux hate communities?
Lol the guy talks about linux like it’s his job or special interest.
You got banned for breaking the rules. Integrity isn’t common among evangelists.
There he is! Evangelism, sure. Idk man you got some weird shit going on, but you do you. 👍
If you point out any where I’m wrong, I will correct it. So far, none of the LiGNUxers are. AFAICS they work for Microsoft. It’s like when I was into conspiracy theories and wondered why Alex Jones wasn’t easily recognized for the controlled opposition, he is.
Oh my god not the rules!
Imagine correcting me on anything. Everyone criticizing the community has the opportunity and NEVER does. Maybe because I’m right and not deceiving people and turning them into hardened Microsoft fans.
Everyone criticizing the community has the opportunity
That’s a lie. The community and every post on it was locked for several months.
If you continue wasting your opportunity here, I’ll just block you here too. I’m not into wasting time.
Really funny to actively hate FOSS on ideological grounds because you just love corporations and markets so much.
Yeah, especially when there are so many legitimate ideological grounds you could use to hate on FOSS, like: https://cosocial.ca/@mhoye/116851056980506739
It’s precisely the reason why many other licenses exists, and that are used for those who want to offer OSS as a service. It is still open, but the service is sold as a guarantee.
But never mind that. Because when you look at stuff like Microslop, Apple, and pretty much any other commercial proprietary software developer. They do so the same way. Games are not sold, they are licensed, with no guarantees of functionality either, just to put one example. It’s a mar of software as an industry, not exclusive to FOSS and definitely not created by the ideological underpinnings of FOSS.
Like, MS offers guarantees of quality and offer liability on their ToS for corporate contracts, but not for the version people can acquire for their home PC. Even then, the liabilities are very limited and cautiously defined. Essentially, unless MS is doing IT directly for your company, you are on your fucking own. And then, support channels for corporate service are very limited on what they do and do not offer. The average Joe buying a Mac or any other PC with Windows essentially get the same “software is provided ‘as is’ and we don’t care if it doesn’t work." It’s not associated to FOSS exclusively.
It makes more sense if you see capitalism as a game and these folks as gamer fanbois.
“love corporations”
How about I despise communism and how it only works when workers are forced to work at gunpoint. Or, I haven’t seen any legit gripes against Microsoft.
Politically, I’m centrist, because both pure extremes fail. -China isn’t 100% communist.
Linux takes the position of ‘competition’ for Windows while being an eternal loser. They squash other great projects by taking their ideas and making them work with then objectively shitty (for desktop) kernel.
Linux is a ‘best case scenario’ for Windows. (Yeah, you’re actually helping Microsoft by being an evangelist).
I’m sceptical this is genuine… it sounds like cope to me, but it’s interesting… Anyway, I appreciate my experience isn’t universal. So what Linux alternatives do you mean, like BSD and stuff?
I try to keep an open mind about people preferring the Microsoft stack, but from the first time I used a terminal on Linux I was sold. I could never go back.
I still do support for people who use Windows PCs, so I’ve got to see how it’s changed over the years. Personally I don’t know how anyone puts up with it.
It seems like Windows keeps getting worse as Linux keeps getting better… like… do you enjoy using Windows 11? Does it feel good to you?
11 is fine. I don’t miss XP, 7,or 10 at all. 11 is an upgrade.
Communism literally never had a chance to evolve as a system because USA systematically fucked it over and fought it at every step, in the process committing horrific crimes against humanity along the way. Would you like some historical examples of what capitalism has done to humanity and democracy worldwide for centuries or are you just more of a “see the thing with communism is… It just doesn’t work!” kind of guy?
Please read what I wrote again. I’m not about arguing with someone who glazes.
The performance comments were a dead giveaway.
Nobody’s complaints with setting Linux up are that it runs slowly.
It may not run much of anything until you sort out your drivers properly, but it will do everything incorrectly LIGHTNING fast, compared to Windows.
I thought Debian was as sluggish as Windows until I was forced to use the LXQt desktop environment instead of the default GNOME on an old Compaq laptop since that’s all it could handle. Turns out, GNOME looks nice but it kept my old laptop’s mid-2000s i386 CPU churning at 50% 24/7. LXQt? Barely a blip. Sure, it couldn’t run Firefox quickly, but at least its fan was silent when idling or when I was simply using the laptop as a dumb SSH client into a much more powerful remote server.
I now use LXQt on my main workstation because I don’t need fancy tilíng windows or Wayland.
Nobody’s complaints with setting Linux up are that it runs slowly.
I mean, really depends on the device. I’ve got a machine running Mint and it kinda chugs along. But it’s… I want to say at least 15 years old? Probably due for a RAM swap at the very least. Takes about five minutes to fully boot and if I run more than a few apps it drags.
At some point, there’s only so much an OS can do for you.
The bit about incompatible drivers and the mess of third-party installs necessary to get it in a comfortable state also rang true. Plus all the minutea of configuration, so you’re not typing in your password every time you sneeze. Windows does tend to come fully loaded out of the box, even if you’re using a bunch of their mediocre native apps. And the desktop instance tends to be pre-configured to satisfy your average desktop user.
Of course, Apple takes all of this to the next level. Really straight jacking everything you can do so that it’s a unform experience from device to device. And I hate that shit, too, even if my machine boots fast straight out of the box.
Not true. They complain because of no hardware decoding, defaults lacking GPU acceleration, they complain about KDEs file manager, Gimp, Libre Office, etc. If you had problems with Windows, maybe consider ‘skill issue’.
Haha, definitely had me. I’m still new to linux and so far bazzite kde has been great. Very few issues, small learning curve. Hard to mess anything up too bad.
The most obvious bait to be was 1 hour install time. Windows 11 took 2 hours to install, CachyOS took like 5 minutes. I imagine Arch is similar, there is simply no way. Lol
The biggest fucking lie
“…in geological terms.”
Updating. Do not turn of computer.
100% complete
Also: “Update and shut down”
Did you say “update and shutdown while also rebooting?”
Coming back to my PC and it being on when I expect it off, along with the notification that I hadn’t used notifications in a while, is what pushed me over the edge to running linux for everything.
That’s apparently fixed now. I have to use windows for work and they finally fixed that stupid issue in one of the last couple of updates. It’s still extremely painful to use though.
Solidworks/PDM at work. 🙄
No it won’t be changing until Win11 actually breaks or dassault scraps PDM(actually as much or more of a trashfire as windows). I’ll just find a new career eventually.
It took me a bit to figure out, but winapps might work for you. A couple of applications I use at work require me to have a windows VM, which is still way less of a headache than straight windows.
Thanks for looking out but sadly it’s a company owned laptop administered by IT.
I use win only at work anymore, no choice. Update and shut down is the biggest fucking lie. I press it every time, it never did shut down.
Every. Time.
I remember installing Arch on an ancient MacBook I’ve got. Set the installer going then put it to one side knowing it was going to take a while.
It took about 7 minutes.
Of course, I then spent two hours trying to get the fucking Broadcom drivers to work, but that’s by the by.
I mean if you dont know jack shit about linux or arch and try to follow the guide I’d imagine it could take you quite a while. It took me a while at least.
I did hear Arch is a bit more trouble, yeah. CachyOS was pretty straightforward from desktop environment to automatically detecting hardware and such. Pretty much the same features you see with Windows, just a lot faster.
I recently figured out that Windows installs can go way faster if you have a slightly better USB stick. I bought an Intenso High Speed Line 64 GB for 10.90€ and it cut down the time by half or even two thirds I would say.
Of course I try to avoid installing Windows in the first place, but I’m not just working on my own machines.
Sure, and Internet speeds probably matter a bit too. The download part was a bit faster than I remember, but then it hung up on the later parts for a while. Lol
Windows 11 took me 7 hours over 3 different days. Had to start and stop multiple times, had to retry multiple times, had to post support requests and wait, and to dive into bios because default settings that worked fine with Linux were making windows kill itself.
Oh yeah, my first try was downloading a Windows ISO and using KDE writer to put it on a USB, BIG mistake because we all know that windows sabotages their ISOs so that you can only burn them with a windows burner program.
Even when it finally worked, it still took a goddamn 2 hours and so many ads, so many “please also buy this!”
Once it was done I had setup windows with steam for my step son and then he didn’t use the machine anyway
Arch install time is mostly user dependent Id say
No offense, but what are you installing it on? One of the things I oversee at my job is imaging. Installing fresh windows on any of our hardware is between 7 and 15 minutes total. Since windows 10 I also haven’t seen any need for additional drivers either unless you have something uncommon or want to replace one. Not trying to defend Windows, I just can’t understand how everyone always has the worst problems imaginable with it.
The vast majority of computer users with those kinds of issues are
- probably using windows home
- On a big box store computer with a platter drive
- an i3 cpu
- and 8gb of ram
windows 10 couldn’t reliably run it’s own bundled software (Mail), by itself, with nothing else open, without that one app going “not responding” every few minutes on a computer with those specs.
Last time i checked, Walmart, best buy, costco, etc were still selling those specs with win11 which is notably bulkier and slower than 10, especially without an ssd, so things have only gotten worse for the average non-power-user.
That’s a perfectly servicible spec for basic operations on a mint install, you could probably even watch netflix or youtube on it with linux, but i wouldn’t want to run windows newer than xp on it.
Admitting that works, then you’ve only got windows. You still have to install all the tools and productivity software. On any distribution, all that stuff gets installed as a matter of fact, and you’re basically done after 20 minutes or so.
In the case I’m referencing, I was installing Windows 11 for a five year old gaming computer using the Windows 10 upgrade software, no USB or anything like that.
Technically I was going to use a custom USB made with Rufus to remove copilot, but by the time I got there they had already started the upgrade process. It really did take two hours, including the 15 minutes before I got there.
That was exactly where I was like, “huh”? Cause Cachy took hardly any time to install and windows is notoriously slow.
I think we should also have a community with name bigtechsuck
Ngl file explorers on Linux suck some massive ass unless you use like Krusader or ranger or terminal based stuff. Dolphin, Caja, nemo, Thunar, Nautilus, all of them are so fucking convoluted that it feels like they are consciously designed to do the things you least expect and in the most roundabout way at all times.
I’m a basic Linux Mint/ZorinOS guy–I sometimes switch between the two–and even I know that it’s dumb to install Arch unless you’re REALLY good with computers.
The built in “app stores” that come on Linux distros are also complete jokes, the ones I’ve tried to use anyways.
The Linux Mint store has been the best IMO. Perhaps one day Cosmic’s store will out do it.
Why and which did you use? I haven’t had an issue with KDE Discover. Pop Shop was ass a few years back but it works well now that it is “Cosmic Store”.
The GNOME one that comes with Debian is useless. There’s like 3 things on it and of course they’re all out of date (Debian thing). It also doesn’t work to uninstall applications. The Ubuntu one of course pushes snaps so it’s no good. The Mint one likewise pushes flatpaks. In general across all of them there never seems to be much listed on them, so going there to browse isn’t useful. I can’t think of any other specific issues but just in general over the past 8 years they are always buggy and annoying to use.
I haven’t used KDE’s store before.
The Mint one likewise pushes flatpaks.
Most packages in Mint you can download from the system repo. You don’t have to use flatpacks. I have my LMDE set to show only system packages since i’m not a fan of flatpacks.
The Gnome store on Debian worked pretty okay for me, though it is a bit slow and always like, reloads the page you’re on after installing something, which is annoying. It uninstalled apps fine, AFAICT.
It had access to the entire Debian repo for me, so I’m not sure why only 3 things were showing up for you.
The Mint store has flathub enabled by default, but you can flip it off in the preferences. If flathub is enabled, it’s show both the flatpak and the native version from the repos, if available, allowing you to choose.
Debian (GNOME) has a flatpak plugin that allows the app store to use flatpaks. They got a lot of stuff there.
I prefer flatpaks so Mint’s is OK by me, but admittedly I have yet to actually daily drive Mint. Fair enough on the rest.
Not a fan of KDE Discover. Bazaar looks promising.
Snap store can get the hell outta here.
Discover is ok… If you limit it to only managing Flatpaks.
I’m not sure I’d ever trust a GUI to manage pacman/apt/dnf
I’m gonna be honest, 99% of what I need to do, I do through Discover. Like, why would I bother typing a command out when the update button is right there.
Synaptic is decent, but it doesn’t exactly feel like an “App Store”.
I think Flatpaks are the future for general user installed apps. It’s way more secure and user friendly for non tech people. I’ve even had some flatpaks run significantly better, like Brave, despite conventional wisdom saying otherwise for a browser.
CachyOS now doesn’t even ship with Discover and if you install it there’s a banner warning you not to use it to update base packages as it can mess stuff up.
CachyOS now ships with and recommends Shelly, and just from trying to use it I get the feeling it’s fundamentally flawed (both in the front-end and back-end), but I don’t know enough about package management to know for certain.
I was wondering about Shelly when I was reading the release notes for Cachy. What do you feel is flawed?
Oh wild. I still just hit Cachy Update, because I don’t like Octopi, but I should try that out.
Tho I was considering giving NixOS a try
updates, sure. let discover or gnome software do 'em.
my debian won’t break the system.
to install, though? i’d rather see exactly what’s going on. i don’t always want to bring in every tom, dick and recommend. i use aptitude.
Oh good. I fucking hate the snap store and thought it was my incompetence making it terrible, but here’s at least one other
I actually like both Bazaar and discover. I enjoy using them to just browse for interesting apps. For linux to ever become adoptable for more people, good GUIs are absolute must haves. If you don’t like them that is of course fine, but it serves the greater good to have the option of using them.
You don’t compile everything from code yourself? Amateur. /s
I don’t know about you but I start an entirely new FOSS project every time I need some functionality that doesn’t come with the base OS.
Truth. Fortunately updating and installing via command line is so easy and quick that I rarely feel the need to use Discover.
Who needs app stores anyway
Software is files, idgaf where they come from
Linux software repos can usually be trusted to a far greater degree, and never come with odd malware toolbars or weird 3rd party ‘downloaders’ like windows install wizards can come with.
Yea and I never accidentally installed mcaffe when running apt install…
Yeah that’s my only real complaint about Linux. I miss the ease of just downloading an exe and double clicking it
Ironically I liked Chocolatey package manager on Windows. Hitting update and everything just updates is great. I hate launching a program and it’s like “here’s an update you need to do before using this and if you kick it down the road you’ll forget about it till next time you launch me”
You can technically do that but app images have their own issues.
You can also download and double click executables that have no dependencies (like Pocketbase). The installation process handles resolving dependencies.
Oh that’s pretty cool I didn’t realize that.
The Internet is my app store.
